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  • #189207
    ivesjb
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    I really need to know what is the big deal with the reinforced concrete posts in all the construction using block for the walls. I have built in California with 5.6 tremors, and we had only wood bolted to the concrete block walls, that were only two blocks high, with no problems. “BUT!!” We used diagonal bracing at the corners for shear, and it worked great. Do you need to use the concrete posts for code, or is that just another money maker for the builders?? I think I can build a house in Costa Rica for under $40,000.00 using treated wood on top of 4 courses of block with grout filled
    cavities. About 1800 square feet, and perhaps two stories, of quality workmanship.

    #189208

    Steel reinforced columns in concrete block construction are necessary to support the weight of the block walls as well as the roof structure and/or second floor. If you want to build with only wood bolted to two courses of concrete block and use diagonal bracing at the corners for shear, you can do so. You do not need to use the concrete posts for code if you’re building with wood. However, before you pay an architect to draw your construction plans in order to obtain your building permits, it would be prudent to source and price suitable wood for the structure. If you’re planning to construct a second floor, you’ll need plenty of 2 x 10’s or 12’s for your band and floor joists. You may find these a rare and expensive commodity down here. The assembly of the wood structure will take less time to complete, if you have experienced carpenters to frame the structure. The majority of the construction down here is concrete block with steel reinforced concrete columns; therefore, we have many experienced masons but not many wood framers. Keep us posted, as to how your construction project works out.

    #189209
    wspeed1195
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    I’m not A block mason and my block laying qualities are far superior to most I’ve seen in the Jaco area. lets just say God bless stucco,caulk and paint.
    I’ve seen rebar exposed too the element on the beach projects and most too the point that it’d need too be treated before the const. went on.
    sorry for sounding negative yet these things seemingly never get adressed.they wait on sand,(and when they’ve waited long enough they sneak out onto the beach with A backhoe and get A couple of buckets full)they wait on mortar they wait on fasteners and so on and so forth.nothing like promoting the acceleration of deterioration with salt beach sand to the already untreated rusty rebar.
    for anyone having something built, find someone that is neutral and can do A weekly inspection with the authority to cease work upon your long distance order.

    #189210
    juliab
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    We found the cheapest way to get the wood you require is to cut it in one of the local sawmills. For example, you won’t be able to find 2*4 in a store. They use 2*3 here. Same thing goes for 2*10 (in fact anything more than 2*6). Just to give you an idea of prices if you haven’t shopped around yet. Typical biga (roof support 2*6 comes in 4 varras) costs more than 10 mil, aka $20. If you cut it in a sawmill you should be able to get the same for just under 5 mil ($10). I used cypress wood as an example above. BTW, the prices of wood are constantly increasing, so if someone gives you a quote today, don’t expect to find the same prices in 2 weeks. I believe that prices are cheaper during the rain season, at least we’ve seen prices increasing by 15% in the last 2 months, though it’s possible that this is true only for our area (Grecia).

    #189211

    I have been building housing in CR since 1992 and feel that concrete block and steel reinforced monolithic concrete columns with tie beams, commonly referred to as CBS construction (Concrete Block Structure), makes the most sense.

    When concrete block is not practical and lightweight methods must be utilized, then the best alternatives are galvanized steel tubing with a vapor barrier, such as TYVEK and insulation, such as PRODEX and then USG brand DUROCK or FIBEROCK, depending on the desired exterior finish.

    NOTE:
    1. When applying a stucco finish on Durock, always use BASE COAT by Formulated Solutions, as the exterior stucco coating. All other products will crack, leak and become maintenance nightmares.
    2. Never use the yellow laminates of DensGlass for sheathing when a stucco coating is specified as the exterior finish.

    #189212

    On a less technical, more esthetic note,
    Is there opinion out there as to weather or not it is worthwhile to consider building primarily using wood for esthetic reasons?
    We wish to build, or import from Bali ( see othe post )wooden structures on our property in Manuel Antonio.
    Everyone in the area has built concrete, and done some beautiful work, but we are much more interested in creating a natural feel for both the interior and exterior of our project.
    We understand that engineering issues may have us use a combination of concrete, steel and wood. I primary hope is to have as much exposed wood as possible.
    I realize that the elements are much harsher on wood,but is it possible that it would be cheaper to build this way, and to figure the savings into the inevidable upkeep down the road?
    I keep imagining large open spaces with hand hewn beams….is this a fairy tale? Or a possible alternative to all of the modern approaches I’ve seen lately?
    There is a sustainable building community that I plan to visit http://www.ranchomastadal.com
    that looks like they are doing some cool stuff. A bit more “hippy” then we are after, but the have workshops and ongoing green building projects that use indigenous building practices.
    If anybody out there has any major do’s or don’ts or interest in this, I’d love to hear from you.
    Mark

    #189213
    *Lotus
    Member

    In Play Hermosa/Jaco in the Opera Salvaje neighborhood someone built a beautiful home of wood. It has a Bali/Asian design it’s very beautiful if you are in the area pull in you can’t miss it.

    #189214

    Thanks, I’ll try to do that. I was wondering, though, if anybody out there sees building with wood as a problem…longevity? Price? Durability? Craftspeople?
    There’s a guy who I found somehow on the web, http://www.rarewoodproject who seems to have a pretty cool thing going who has been doing work in Costa Rica for a number of years. Has anybody worked with him? Or know of any other architects or builders who are doing great work with wood?

    #189215
    *Lotus
    Member

    It seems most homes on the Caribbean side are wood built. When considering wood I thought fire and ease of breaking in were concerns to consider?

    #189216
    perrogrande
    Member

    crbuilder, what happens if someone does use the yellow DensGlas for the exterior and stucco was applied?

    #189217

    Most of the recent installations I have inspected, that were installed within the last two years are experiencing cracking of the exterior stucco coating and subsequent water infiltration is causing extensive interior moisture problems within the wall cavity. The repairs and or continual maintenance are extensive and costly.

    This product is recommended for exterior walls, ceilings and soffits in a wide variety of applications. These include exterior insulation and finish systems (EIFS); cavity brick or stone veneer applications; cladding such as wood siding, vinyl siding, composition siding, wood shingles, shakes, conventional stucco systems, plywood siding panels; and interior finish systems that require a substrate panel with superior fire and moisture resistance.

    It has been designed as a water repellent sheathing in a properly designed and constructed wall system under claddings such as brick, various sidings, conventional stucco with a vapor barrier such as DuPont Tyvek and metal lath or as a sheathing component in Exterior Insulation and Finish Systems (EIFS).

    The manufacturer’s recommendations state that DensGlass is not manufactured to be the final cladding. In other words, DensGlass was not designed to be used as the sole exterior sheathing product to directly receive exterior stucco coatings.

    #189218
    ivesjb
    Member

    So are there sawmills in the Grecia area? If there are I would be interested in knowing some names for future reference.
    Also, I find it hard to believe that block walls, iron/steel floor & roof joists, can be cheaper then wood. I guess I better get some more information, as suggested, before trying to submit plans for my future abode in Costa Rica.
    I am an experienced wood framer, and may start doing some custom homes out of wood and concrete when I come to CR. I thank all you respondents for giving me feedback on wood vs. concrete, and look forward to more conversation.

    #189219
    ellen508
    Member

    I am looking for a builder in the uvita area -are you in that area

    #189220
    ivesjb
    Member

    I am at a loss as to where Uvita is… But, I might be able to help you with a builder! Let me know……

    #189221
    ellen508
    Member

    Uvita is on the Pacific coast just south of Dominical

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