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  • #199153
    smekuly
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    here is a guy that maybe…just maybe can start the country at least in the right direction.. but I realize unfortunetly for him and the U.S. and since we are such a country that judges by appearance. I dont think he will ever be president sad to say.:D

    if we could put on lets say a romney exterior. this guy would be president.

    anyone remember seeing the president debate with john f kenedy and nixon??

    http://ronpaulflix.com/2011/08/iowa-state-university-republican-debate-ron-paul-highlights-august-11-2011/

    #199154
    maravilla
    Member

    the kennedy nixon debate was so well orchestrated by kennedy’s camp. good make-up, better lighting, better hairdresser. and poor nixon was sweating up a storm because he had been popping dilantin (to which he was addicted). appearances are everything in politics. remember when the handlers insisted that one candidate — gebhart? — have his eyebrows died? now if Dennis kucinic had his ears fixed, he also stands a chance. Yes, we are a very shallow and superficial society when we elect people to run our country because they look like a movie star. . . and THEN. . . we DID elect a movie star. Wow! Bedtime for Bozo was such a classic!! jejeje

    #199155
    smekuly
    Member

    I have a question for the group since I am not really involved politically so maybe I thought someone could help me

    is ron paul the only guy in office that actually has common sense.. and is willing to speak the truth???

    are there any others like paul in goverment??

    if not then we are in heaps of trouble

    I have to give kudos to this guy.. this is a guy who believes in home runs.. not like me

    😥

    #199156
    bogino
    Participant

    He’s new to politics and people tend to either love him or hate him but Chris Christie is one who doesn’t hesitate for a moment to speak his mind and tell it like it is.

    BTW—I agree about Ron Paul. He has some terrific ideas and I love listening to him speak.

    #199157
    sprite
    Member

    I no longer participate in the fake two party paradigm. I agree with Ron Paul on some key points, especially regarding his anti war and anti FED stands. If he were ever to be elected, he would not survive the first 6 months before the “white shoe” boys had him knocked off.

    But the system selects the presidents, not the citizens. The system will select another GW Bush or Obama. Involvement in US elections is a foolish waste of time.

    #199158
    bogino
    Participant

    [quote=”sprite”]I no longer participate in the fake two party paradigm. I agree with Ron Paul on some key points, especially regarding his anti war and anti FED stands. If he were ever to be elected, he would not survive the first 6 months before the “white shoe” boys had him knocked off.

    But the system selects the presidents, not the citizens. The system will select another GW Bush or Obama. Involvement in US elections is a foolish waste of time.[/quote]

    Well–it’s the best system out there, unless I’m missing something. OH!!!! I forgot about Cuba and Venezuela.

    #199159
    smekuly
    Member

    bogino

    sprite is right on.. 😀

    I’m surprised at your response. because that sounded a bit knee jerk reaction.

    cuba and venezuela

    would be not good candidates

    but surely you jest

    please do you research before you make a statement like that

    Costa Rica has a better system since more people are involved with politics than the masses at the U.S.

    anyone know the voting %%% of people that actualy participate in the U.S elections???

    not withstanding anomolies like the messiah obama but generally.

    #199160
    sprite
    Member

    [quote=”bogino”]

    Well–it’s the best system out there, unless I’m missing something. OH!!!! I forgot about Cuba and Venezuela.[/quote]

    What do you know about the Cuban and Venezuelan systems? Have you ever been to Cuba or studied the system? Or are you just mouthing the crap right wing propaganda that has been pounded into your brain since you were potty trained?

    In any case, it does not matter what political system is being employed as long as the world’s currencies are being created and controlled by the same people.

    #199161
    maravilla
    Member

    what is the best system? The capitalistic nightmare the US created? and if it’s so great, why do the people who defend it want to move to a socialist country with welfare in the form of universal health care? you know, the thing nobody wanted in the US?

    #199162
    bogino
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    [quote=”sprite”][quote=”bogino”]

    Well–it’s the best system out there, unless I’m missing something. OH!!!! I forgot about Cuba and Venezuela.[/quote]

    What do you know about the Cuban and Venezuelan systems? Have you ever been to Cuba or studied the system? Or are you just mouthing the crap right wing propaganda that has been pounded into your brain since you were potty trained?

    In any case, it does not matter what political system is being employed as long as the world’s currencies are being created and controlled by the same people.[/quote]

    I have “lived” in the following countries: Vietnam (Saigon)–Belgium (Brussels)–Nigeria (Lagos)—France (Marseille)—Ivory Coast (Abidjan)—Brasil (Rio)—Dem. Rep. of the Congo (Kinshasa)–and Angola (Luanda). I have “visited” dozens of other places (including Venezuela). I am FLUENT in Portuguese, French and Lingala (you might have to Google that).

    As far as that pile of Garbage known as Cuba….well….it seems to me that there are many tens of thousands more Cubans risking their lives and willing to die in order to flee to the U.S. than Americans trying to flee to Cuba. I think that alone says enough about Cuba. However—-I [b]DID[/b] like Desi Arnaz and I [b]LOVE[/b] Miami Sound Machine.

    #199163
    bogino
    Participant

    [quote=”maravilla”]what is the best system? The capitalistic nightmare the US created? and if it’s so great, why do the people who defend it want to move to a socialist country with welfare in the form of universal health care? you know, the thing nobody wanted in the US?[/quote]

    The U.S. has an Illegal Immigration problem to the tune of roughly 12 – 15 million or so. That’s just the “illegal” part of it. Add to that the “legal” immigrants and God only knows how many people are [b]STILL[/b] trying to come to the U.S. There [b]MUST[/b] be a reason why so many people from so many parts of the world want to come to our [b]NIGHTMARE[/b] Does Costa Rica or do any of the other “socialist country with [b]WELFARE[/b] in the form of universal health care” have those same immigration problems? I think not. And that word: [b]WELFARE[/b]?? Hate it! Welfare is fine for Socialist [b]Nanny[/b] type states where people feel the [b]need[/b] to be taken care of. Welfare does not mix with the U.S. system which is based on a [b]FREE MARKET[/b]. Welfare here was originally intended to help the truly needy and not be abused the way it is now. There is no Utopia and every system has its flaws but in the U.S. we have the freedom to make choices and change things (look at Wisconsin recently). Most of us are fortunate enough to have choices (sadly many don’t…ask the Cubans). Me….I’ll take Capitalism.

    #199164
    maravilla
    Member

    the US has an illegal immigration problem thanks to NAFTA which destroyed the farming system in Mexico. And if you think the Mexican immigration problem is bad, check out what is happening in Italy, France, and England when it comes to the flood of immigrants. Italy is talking about closing its borders to keep stem the tide. Not EVERYONE wants to come to the US. the problem i have with capitalism is that for you to have a lot, someone has to have nothing. And the financial collapse we have experienced is the direct result of capitalism, and i think that is evil.

    #199165
    bogino
    Participant

    [quote=”maravilla”]the US has an illegal immigration problem thanks to NAFTA which destroyed the farming system in Mexico. And if you think the Mexican immigration problem is bad, check out what is happening in Italy, France, and England when it comes to the flood of immigrants. Italy is talking about closing its borders to keep stem the tide. Not EVERYONE wants to come to the US. the problem i have with capitalism is that for you to have a lot, someone has to have nothing. And the financial collapse we have experienced is the direct result of capitalism, and i think that is evil.[/quote]

    Capitalism is not for everyone…nor is Socialism..or Communism…etc. If we are fortunate to have choices then that is a [b]GOOD[/b] thing regardless of ones political persuasion. Ultimately…the most important thing is that we are [b]FREE[/b].

    #199166
    sprite
    Member

    [quote=”bogino”]
    As far as that pile of Garbage known as Cuba….well….it seems to me that there are many tens of thousands more Cubans risking their lives and willing to die in order to flee to the U.S. than Americans trying to flee to Cuba. I think that alone says enough about Cuba. However—-I [b]DID[/b] like Desi Arnaz and I [b]LOVE[/b] Miami Sound Machine.[/quote]

    Cuba is notably absent from your list and so is an ability to speak Spanish so I assume you are admitting that you are giving an opinion from a position of ignorance on this matter. I HAVE spent time in Cuba and I DO speak Spanish. My experiences and my many conversations with Cubans there gave me insight and understanding.

    Although I have moved away from the left-right political paradigm recently, I still feel obliged to come to the defence of certain ideals . Socialist Cuba and Socialist Costa Rica are two of them.

    Although these two nations are far apart in many specific applications of socialism, they both share the ideal of having an economy dedicated for the welfare of the working people. If you oppose such ideals, I have to wonder why you chose Costa Rica as a place to live.

    #199167
    sprite
    Member

    [quote=”bogino”]

    Capitalism is not for everyone…nor is Socialism..or Communism…etc. If we are fortunate to have choices then that is a [b]GOOD[/b] thing regardless of ones political persuasion. Ultimately…the most important thing is that we are [b]FREE[/b].[/quote]

    You need to look up the word “free”.

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