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It would appear that the current socialist regime in the US is [url=http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/item/18253-critics-mount-constitutional-attack-on-dreaded-fatca-tax-regime]being challenged on FACTA[/url]
[quote=”rfs1975″]It would appear that the current socialist regime in the US is [url=http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/item/18253-critics-mount-constitutional-attack-on-dreaded-fatca-tax-regime]being challenged on FACTA[/url]
[/quote]I could never understand why the word constitution is still so widely used.. this has been shredded so much its a mere ghost to what it was intended.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/09/janet-yellen-oligarchy_n_5296399.html
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/apr/21/americas-oligarchy-not-democracy-or-republic-unive/
[quote=”rfs1975″]It would appear that the current socialist regime in the US is [url=http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/item/18253-critics-mount-constitutional-attack-on-dreaded-fatca-tax-regime]being challenged on FACTA[/url]
[/quote]PLEASE!!! the US regime is NOT socialist. It is fascist or oligarchic. Look to Nazi Germany for examples, not to the Soviet Union.
This is not just word play. Costa Rica has a socialist government. There is a difference.
I am not defending socialism but I am sick and tired of hearing right wing brainwashing terminology which confuses perception of the reality.Who wants to bet that the fascist US court will approve any capital control measures put forth by the international banking cartel?
Any US citizen who contemplates leaving the US with his wealth had better hurry up. The prison gates are constructed, your constitution has been eviscerated and the push is now on to close the gates.Sprite
I would have to disagree with you on that statement
Costa Rica has some socialistic areas.. like labor.. etc.. but to call Costa Rica a socialist Government.. is way off.
can you clarify why you would think Costa Rica is a socialist government???
now if you said Venezuela or Cuba.. which I have both visited a few times were socialist governments I would agree
[b][/b][quote=”sprite”][quote=”rfs1975″]It would appear that the current socialist regime in the US is [url=http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/item/18253-critics-mount-constitutional-attack-on-dreaded-fatca-tax-regime]being challenged on FACTA[/url]
[/quote]PLEASE!!! the US regime is NOT socialist. It is fascist or oligarchic. Look to Nazi Germany for examples, not to the Soviet Union.
This is not just word play. Costa Rica has a socialist government. There is a difference.
I am not defending socialism but I am sick and tired of hearing right wing brainwashing terminology which confuses perception of the reality.
[/quote]There are many varieties of socialism and “there is no single definition encapsulating all of them” (Wikipedia)
There is absolutely enough state involvement in labor and public health to qualify Costa Rica as, at the very least, quasi socialist.
But to call the US a socialist country is absurd. It most definitely is NOT. So for all you right wing neo capitalist/ libertarian, neo fascist neo-…whatever… out there…Costa Rica has a form of government and a way of looking at social issues which are probably in direct opposition to many of your core beliefs.
Sprite
ahh.. ok.. I misread..
your right about the U.S. its not a socialist society but rather an olgarthy which has been acknowledged by a recent princeton study
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/09/janet-yellen-oligarchy_n_5296399.html
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/apr/21/americas-oligarchy-not-democracy-or-republic-unive/
I think the word “Socialism” sometimes is overused.. like many of the buzz words of today.
Still Costa Rica has some tendencies but I would not even call it a quasi
they have a public health care but also you can buy additional or private healthcare
and they ( This is key) [b]DO NOT FORCE TICOS[/b] to buy into the system.. only foreigners which I would agree is fair.. since we are really only guests in this country.
The government here is too small to really be considered a socialist society.. the impact here is minimal at best.
in fact I would speculate we have MORE freedoms here than in the U.S. although the tides are changing..:)
I have lived In Cuba for a bit and that my friend is a different experience.
These people here would have a heart attack if all the micro laws in the U.S. would all of a sudden be brought here..
[quote=”sprite”]There are many varieties of socialism and “there is no single definition encapsulating all of them” (Wikipedia)
There is absolutely enough state involvement in labor and public health to qualify Costa Rica as, at the very least, quasi socialist.
But to call the US a socialist country is absurd. It most definitely is NOT. So for all you right wing neo capitalist/ libertarian, neo fascist neo-…whatever… out there…Costa Rica has a form of government and a way of looking at social issues which are probably in direct opposition to many of your core beliefs.[/quote]
The Leftists are the Socialists and fascists – which is exactly what the Nazis were: fascists of the National Socialist German Worker’s Party, a.k.a. Nazis. The Left then adopted/corrupted the word “Liberal”, twisting Classical Liberalism into a pretzel: Classical liberalism is a political ideology that advocates limited government, constitutionalism, rule of law, due process, individual liberties including freedom of religion, speech, press, assembly, and free markets.
I wish the general public was more aware, but it’s hard enough getting most people to understand Left vs. Right.[quote=”sprite”]There are many varieties of socialism and “there is no single definition encapsulating all of them” (Wikipedia)
There is absolutely enough state involvement in labor and public health to qualify Costa Rica as, at the very least, quasi socialist.
But to call the US a socialist country is absurd. It most definitely is NOT. So for all you right wing neo capitalist/ libertarian, neo fascist neo-…whatever… out there…Costa Rica has a form of government and a way of looking at social issues which are probably in direct opposition to many of your core beliefs.[/quote]
David,
I visited Cuba as a young man from 1976 through 1982. I spent time in Jibacoa and Havana. I got a good close look at their brand of socialism. But I was in no position to make a considered, mature opinion at that time. I was too involved with finding out about how my own country was betraying its citizens. I wished Cuba good luck with its revolution and then proceeded to set up a typical American life for myself in Miami.
Maybe it is because I spent my life in the most anti socialist country on the planet but Costa Rica seems to have some very socialistic programs in place. They do lot have to be mandatory to qualify as socialistic, either.Not that it matters too terribly much, but fascism has always been favored by the right and opposed by the socialist left as in World War Two. It was the leftist communist Soviet Union which brought down the rightist Nazi Germany.
The a Spanish Revolution pitted leftist socialists against right wing fascist Franco.
It sounds like you have been given a bizarre perspective of history from a right wing source…propaganda. In other words.Sprite
I lived in Cuba in 2009 for 8 months.. it was really an adventure but also gave me an education and glimpse first hand into the society there.. maybe thats my problem
having this reference point which is so extreme opposite to Costa Rica
but again.. costa rica is no way near socialism.. they may have a few areas that they lean abit with its labor practices its most direct example.. but you have freedoms here that places like Venezuela and Cuba do not have.
In fact I would as far to say that Costa Rica is probably the most free country in Central america but then again I guess I am biased.
I also think the size of government is really the answer. The government here do not have the mass, internal systems or power to infiltrate and micro manage people lives.
as a foreigner with limited funds I was able to open a brick and mortar business here and grow it to be sold for a nice sum 8 years later.
now if you want to talk about incompetence.. that’s a different story. :D:D
[quote=”sprite”]David,
I visited Cuba as a young man from 1976 through 1982. I got a good close look at their brand of socialism. But I was in no position to make a considered, mature opinion at that time. I was too involved with finding out about how my own country was betraying its citizens. I wished Cuba good luck with its revolution and then proceeded to set up a typical American life for myself in Miami.
Maybe it is because I spent my life in the most anti socialist country on the planet but Costa Rica seems to have some very socialistic programs in place. They do lot have to be mandatory to qualify as socialistic, either.[/quote]I have to disagree with Sprite’s assessment.
Modern day Liberal logic seems to be that multiculturalism, the Peace Corps, and such are good things, things that liberals approve of, and of course good things can’t be fascist by simple virtue of the fact that liberals approve of them. The major flaw in all of this is that fascism, properly understood, is not a phenomenon of the right at all. Instead, it is, and always has been, a phenomenon of the left. This fact an inconvenient truth (nothing to do with that blow-hard Al Gore) if there ever was one is obscured in our time by the equally mistaken belief that fascism and communism are opposites. In reality, they are closely related, historical competitors for the same constituents.[quote=”sprite”]Not that it matters too terribly much, but fascism has always been favored by the right and opposed by the socialist left as in World War Two. It was the leftist communist Soviet Union which brought down the rightist Nazi Germany.
The a Spanish Revolution pitted leftist socialists against right wing fascist Franco.
It sounds like you have been given a bizarre perspective of history from a right wing source…propaganda. In other words.
[/quote]The difference of Nazism from other brands of socialism and communism was not so much that it included more aspects from the political right . What distinguished Nazism was that it included a worldview we now associate almost completely with the political left: identity politics. This was what distinguished Nazism from communism, and it seems hard to argue the marriage of one leftist vision to another can somehow produce right-wing progeny. If this was how the world worked, we would have to label nationalist-socialist organizations like the PLO and Cuban Communist Party right-wing. Of course, if you are subscribing to left-wing journals like Mother Jones or Salon, I can then understand how you are confused.
[quote=”sweikert925″][quote=”rfs1975″]The major flaw in all of this is that fascism, properly understood, is not a phenomenon of the right at all. Instead, it is, and always has been, a phenomenon of the left.[/quote]
I guess Hitler, Mussolini and Franco were really confused then because they imprisoned all the leftists and allied themselves with the right wing power centers – the Catholic Church, the military and the corporate plutocrats.[/quote]
In the United States being liberal means advocating a totalitarian state
where only liberal” ideas are valid. If American liberals support a totalitarian state based only upon their ideas, then they cannot be liberal in the classical sense. American liberals are hardly independent-minded. They must follow the strict party line of the Democrat Party, much as communists had to follow the strict communist party line, and Nazis had to follow the Nazi party line. American liberals do not think for themselves; they have been told what to think and how to think. Almost all American liberals have been psychologically conditioned and programmed to act this way by the American public school system, where independent thought is not allowed. In the United States students must believe what their teachers believe. To express ideas contrary to their teachers’ beliefs risks getting a failing grade, or worse. It is an atmosphere much like one would have found in a school in Nazi Germany or in the former Soviet Union. Straying from the Democrat party line is not tolerated. Tolerance is always trumpeted by Liberals but only if you are in lock-step with their ideology.[quote=”sweikert925″][quote=”rfs1975″]Of course, if you are subscribing to left-wing journals like Mother Jones or Salon, I can then understand how you are confused[/quote]
And if I’m not? (Which happens to be the case)So picking up on that thought I left earlier, the American Nazi Party is a bunch of arch liberals? Huh.[/quote]
[quote=”rfs1975″]The difference of Nazism from other brands of socialism and communism was not so much that it included more aspects from the political right . What distinguished Nazism was that it included a worldview we now associate almost completely with the political left: identity politics. This was what distinguished Nazism from communism, and it seems hard to argue the marriage of one leftist vision to another can somehow produce right-wing progeny. If this was how the world worked, we would have to label nationalist-socialist organizations like the PLO and Cuban Communist Party right-wing. Of course, if you are subscribing to left-wing journals like Mother Jones or Salon, I can then understand how you are confused.
[quote=”sweikert925″][quote=”rfs1975″]The major flaw in all of this is that fascism, properly understood, is not a phenomenon of the right at all. Instead, it is, and always has been, a phenomenon of the left.[/quote]
I guess Hitler, Mussolini and Franco were really confused then because they imprisoned all the leftists and allied themselves with the right wing power centers – the Catholic Church, the military and the corporate plutocrats.[/quote][/quote]
We are arguing terminology here and its only value is as an orientating device to help with historical understanding. In the 1960’s, the youth movement was liberal. The establishment was conservative. This has been the historical pattern. Progressives always pushing against conservatives to drag humanity forward…to progress.
I used to identify myself with liberal ideology. I opposed conservative ideas. But this changed once I saw the manipulation being imposed on both political extremes by the international banking cartel. They funded both sides of the last two world wars and, in fact, created those conflicts.
This elite class over many years also created religion and debt to keep all of us at each other’s throats while deftly controlling both sides of the conflict.
Politicians all have a controlling hand up their asses and so does anyone else who still subscribes to the false left/right paradigm. If you vote, pay income tax or associate yourself with a party or a church, you are still in the false paradigm and are being manipulated.
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