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And I repeat; Money corrupts everything it touches and everything is touched by money. Until this monetary system of engineered scarcity is dismantled or self-destroyed, this maxim will remain in effect.
The powers-that-be have turned science into a sort of religion and they use it just as they have used other religions to sway public opinion. This is not difficult to do when you have a dumbed-down public and people in the fields of science who must find a way to survive in a monetary system.
[quote=”pharg”][quote=”camby”][quote=”sprite”]Money corrupts everything, even truth. Science is no exception. The root of all evil is also the root of GMO plants. Here we have yet another example of how monatized economy based on manufactured scarcity can be lethal.[/quote]
True, a few can manipulate and control, not freedom….[/quote]
[quote=”maravilla”]There is no more science for the sake of science. Anyone who thinks that might want to read the Ascendency of The Scientific Dictatorship. Science is bought and sold to whoever can afford to get the results they want or need.[/quote]
These comments can’t pass without comment.
I take strident exception to the quotes by maravilla/sprite/camby on science and scientists. I am explicitly reminded of DCM’s tagline Krugman quote.
I have been a practicing oceanographer and marine biologist with an international reputation for over 40 years; in the area of harmful algal blooms [red tides]. In retirement for 5 years, I do the same research that I did in the previous 38 years, the exception being that now I receive neither a salary, nor research funding. In other words, my profession is now my hobby. Many of my retired colleagues throughout the world do exactly the same. The C.R. situation is bad for Tico and Tica scientists who, though generally dedicated, suffer from low salaries and lack of resources.
Of course there are hired guns in the science world (big pharma and big tobacco come immediately to mind), but to tar brush all science and scientists is not only uninformed and untrue, but demeaning to both scientists and the accuser.
:x[/quote]No one is tar/feathering “all scientists”, but as you note, you do research, but no pay, benefits,etc..how many working scientists can say that? How are firms and agencies to function w/o massive funding? They are not and hence, relying not ov Govt directly to fund, supposedly answerable to the people 😉 but via a lot of private grants with strings….You worked hard and got paid,etc and now can retire w/said fruits of labor..
[quote=”DavidCMurray”]The dilemma, I think, is that sooner or later somebody has to pay the bills. Sr. Pharg may be pursuing his science unpaid and in retirement, but I’ll bet somebody is helping feed him whether that’s Social Security, a pension, or whatever. By a very long shot, not every dedicated scientist can afford to both work for free and also provide his or her own material resources. The days of the nobleman scientist are far behind us. Just ask the physicists working on the super collider. Sooner or later, somebody has to pay the bills.
And that’s where the sponsors come in whether they’re government or the private sector. Fer shure, money will dictate the research priorities and, to some extent, the findings.[/quote]
Like cancer, over yrs, a lot of research for little results…when a big discovery comes, big pharma and their allies in Biz and Govt squash it and often, the people too-relegating them to the hinter lands or worse.
Bills have to be paid, true and money is needed, true in our present centralized and corrupt system, but therin then the problem. Tobacco industry studies and funding of health,etc came to light in the 90’s..
The posts I think are slamming the main problems, not the individuals, who are either corrupted, blind or so desperate for work they have to do the dirty work. many live in a bubble, fantasy world like any other area of life….
there are some scientists who protest the niggling of studies to favor the corporation. there was a guy at the chemical company that produced the BGH that they knew caused breast cancer who refused to drink any milk that wasn’t organic, and even took it a step further and bought his own cow. of course, there are ethical scientists who refuse to be bought, and i applaud those people for standing up to the money machines.
Repeating what my expert stated, AM Costa Rica reports: The European Food Safety Authority also found numerous problems with the French study, from not enough control rats to substandard analytical methods. And the French science academies said the release of the study, which coincided with the release of a book and a film highlighting the work, raised ethical problems.
At the University of California at Davis, toxicologist Alison van Eenennaam questioned the researchers’ motives.
“I think it was a cynical ploy to exploit the scientific process to create fear in the minds of consumers,” she says.
[quote=”VictoriaLST”]Repeating what my expert stated, AM Costa Rica reports: The European Food Safety Authority also found numerous problems with the French study, from not enough control rats to substandard analytical methods. And the French science academies said the release of the study, which coincided with the release of a book and a film highlighting the work, raised ethical problems.
At the University of California at Davis, toxicologist Alison van Eenennaam questioned the researchers’ motives.
“I think it was a cynical ploy to exploit the scientific process to create fear in the minds of consumers,” she says.[/quote]
The mainstream usually poh-pohs this….despite the mountains of contradictory evidence, food is often not labelled nor discussed…..Mr. Smith, to repeat, has a lot of studies suggesting manufactured food w/chemicals,etc are NOT that healthy….and linked, in part, to rising obesity, asthma, diabetes,intestinal issues, etc.
The best that a employee of a likely highly funded, corporate gifted university can say is that the study=fear mongering is telling…..and ignorant of the other issues…..
GMO in Costa Rica
CR imports GMO crops from the USA. Please read and share this information: http://www.costaricasouth.com/index.php/news/crs-area-news/50-pz-area-news/424-did-you-know-you-may-be-consuming-gmoas-in-costa-rica
In Costa Rica, so far, there has been a ban on growing GM corn. Any corn grown in Costa Rica is most likely safe from being a GM crop. Yet, Costa Rica imports plenty of GM corn from the United States (the largest producer of GM corn). This corn is often sold as animal feed (not to mention the multitude of imported food items made with US grown GM corn). The majority of “concentrado” or “alimento” (feed) for chickens, pigs, cows, goats, sheep, horses, and other domestic animals includes GM corn and soy. If you are eating eggs, dairy, and/or meat from animals fed “concentrado” then you are consuming GMOs. Many of the laying hens raised in Costa Rica, even on small family farms, are genetically modified birds. These birds have been designed (by humans) to only lay eggs when fed GM feed (“concentrado”). I have found, by asking most of the vendors who sell eggs at our local feria, that most all of them feed their chicken’s concentrado (regardless if they raise GM birds or a more “heirloom” variety). It stimulates the chicken to lay more eggs more often. Most vendors selling milk and cheese feed their cow’s concentrado. It helps the cows produce a larger quantity of milk. Most of the vendors selling goat’s milk or goat cheese feed their goat’s concentrado, for the same reasons I listed above. I have not found a vendor selling chicken for meat that does not feed their bird’s concentrado. Pigs are pretty much always fattened up in a small confined area and fed plenty of concentrado. Beef cows and sheep in Costa Rica spend most of their life grazing on grass in the sunshine; some are fed small amounts of concentrado, you need to ask when purchasing beef. Costa Rica does not commonly inject their cows with growth hormones such as rbGH. Also, “farm” raised fish are often fed GM feed. Tilapia and trout are commonly farmed fish in Costa Rica. I visited one trout farm (“truchera”) in San Gerardo de Rivas and witnessed the owner throwing handfuls of fish feed into the ponds.
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Zahrah Raay Aguila 2011-06-09:
As of today I just discovered that Costa Rica is producing GM rice. Perhaps you already knew this, but in 3 years of studying GMO´s in CR I had not come across this info. According to various sources, store bought rice is GM, unless of course it states organic or non-GMO.[quote=”maravilla”]it probably wasn’t GMO if they are not allowed to import it. if it was Bt corn you probably would’ve gotten sick.[/quote]
“es prohibido” like weed, crack, breaking into houses and shark fin chowder.
Thanks for reminding us the stoned arm of duh ley will keep us safe.There is a demonstration on Tuesday Nov 6 in San Jose against GMO corn. i will try to find other details.
the vendor i buy my chicken from said they don’t use concentrado — that they are free range and what corn they are fed is corn that was grown in costa rica. oh boy. i am going to start living on air.
This is the article that appeared in CR News this morning.
http://news.co.cr/costa-ricans-putting-up-a-tough-fight-against-monsanto-gmos-today/18139/
i hope they kick monsanto out of here. we don’t want no stinkin’ gmo corn in costa rica. look what it did to mexico. ugh greedy, nasty, horrible company is what monsatan is. they were just kicked out of india, so there is hope.
[quote=”maravilla”]This is the article that appeared in CR News this morning.
http://news.co.cr/costa-ricans-putting-up-a-tough-fight-against-monsanto-gmos-today/18139/
i hope they kick monsanto out of here. we don’t want no stinkin’ gmo corn in costa rica. look what it did to mexico. ugh greedy, nasty, horrible company is what monsatan is. they were just kicked out of india, so there is hope.[/quote]Guess what? Monsanto already “left” CR:
http://news.co.cr/monsanto-left-costa-rica/2449/This is one hard to beat monster. God help us all. But as you know first we must help ourselves.
The only way, as I see it, is if significant number of consumers educate themselves on the subject AND stop buying all products containing GMOs.
The lists are easy to find online. Take care!they don’t have an office here anymore, but that hasn’t stopped them from trying to dump GMOs into the marketplace under the auspices of CAFTA (the KISS OF DEATH!). if you’re buying any packaged food from the states that contains corn, soy, corn oil, soy oil (and almost every single product has one of those things!) then you are consuming GMOs. but i’ve discovered since this battle started that most people don’t really care what they eat or even the consequences of it. it’s us tree huggers and health food nuts who are behind the anti-GMO agenda. i don’t eat the tamales here because they are made from masa that comes from gmo corn that was shipped in. ugh but i hear it is going well in california with lots of support, and all the online newspapers with whom i have a relationship are all working on stories covering today’s protest in SJO. keep your fingers crossed.
you can sign and share this petition if you really care about what happens regarding the GMO issue in Costa Rica.
[quote=”maravilla”]http://petition.avaaz.org/es/petition/Prohibicion_de_introduccion_y_liberacion_de_semillas_de_maiz_transgenico_en_Costa_Rica/?tNsKacb
you can sign and share this petition if you really care about what happens regarding the GMO issue in Costa Rica.[/quote]
Will do, might take me abit to weed through language….oops, done and no problemos, posting as well on my blog…..
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