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Right now there are over 1 million people on the “No fly” list. I hope that includes all the wingnuts who had too much to drink and tried to open the airplane door after taking off all their clothes. But who knows? Since they won’t release the criteria for landing on this list, it could be for a thousand different reasons besides the fact that you’re a Wahhabi from S.A. Also right now somewhere in the world there is a democratically elected leader that is about to be unseated and replaced with a man of our choice. This is what we do best. The list of countries to whom we have done just this thing is as long as my arm, but you can start with Iran in the 50’s, and then list Iraq, Ecuador, Indonesia, Haiti, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Guatemala, and on and on and on. And if the leaders don’t do what we want, we assassinate them in a variety of ways. You cannot expect the American people to really know what’s going on when their own government lies to them. The CIA is notorious for planting false news stories in the press and have been doing so since the inception of the OSS. It was why Allen Dulles courted Henry Luce. The CIA wrote the news story, big fat lie that it was, and Luce published it as though it were documented news reporting. There is no defense to the war in Iraq. It was about oil in the beginning, and it’s still about oil. And our presence in Iran in the 50’s was about oil then, so I can’t believe the agenda has changed any — maybe the lie that we’re being told has changed, but it’s still about oil. As for why we only have two candidates when other countries have 50, as in Italy, well, because it has been ordained from on high to be that way. In my humble opinion it doesn’t even matter who we vote for; they are both the same horse, just wearing different colors. I’m trying to muster up the enthusiasm to vote but it’s hard knowing what a sham the whole thing is. As for terrorist attacks, I, too, was in London when Harrod’s was bombed. In fact, I had just walked outside and passed the store when the windows exploded. I was also in London when the IRA bombed the Tower. We had just walked outside and were on our way to see the Crown Jewels when the bomb went off. The carnage we saw in the courtyard later was something I will never forget.
Enduro and Maravilla give us good talking, and thinking points. if we lock in our ideology and not allow our rational thinking to at least consider other explanations and ideas, we are indeed doomed. Being liberal, conservative, or somewhere in the middle, should not mean we need to defend every cause celebrè of that camp. We get enough brain cleansing from the media outlets. A little exchange of ideas and opinions can be good for the gray matter.
Kenneth,
So basically you are proposing that people with dark skin are the suspicious ones. Perhaps your answer would be to separate them and make them fly on a different plane, or perhaps sit in the back so you can keep an eye on them?
The problem with this logic is that terrorists are adapting to changing security. If they can’t get men between 17 to 40 where they want them, they will start using women, children, or other unsuspecting people to achieve their goals.
Thank you for answering my first question, I am still interested to know which liberties you would be willing to forfeit in this war?Im happy to reply and I can speak from experience regarding your comment about the prison situation and the type of individual it breeds. I am in the field and have been for over 23yrs. and you basicly hit the nail on the head with your comments. I said and will say again search my lap top Ipod and anything else you think necessary to ensure the safety of the flight Im on and the country I live in. I think the forum here forgot to mention the sickos that are caught breaking Amreican laws when they enter the country. Child molesters, Drug smugglers and probably several others we don’t hear about. I will say the USA that I grew up to love is ever changing and is on the down stroke of what we as Americans sent young men and women to fight and die for. I think when TYSON FOODS takes away Labor Day and gives the Muslims a Religious holiday and a prayer room I will no longer eat any TYSON FOODS product. I also think when the so called future leader of the great United States elects to remove the American Flag from his 757 airliner and will not wear a flag on his lappel we are in trouble.
If the US actions overseas were repeated in the US, all hell would break loose. But I don’t see terrorism as the main threat to America. I see the erosion of the respect for individual liberty and the devaluation of the dollar as the number one and two biggest threats to the future of that country. I could be specific, but it should be obvious.
It is relevant to the socialist because they will want to know how much they can take from you, all nice and legal like. I asked the question because I really want to know from you how much money the government should be allowed to take from you?
Do you really trust the federal government more than big business?
And if you do, aren’t you the Maravilla that believes in 9/11 conspiricies, set up by the federal government?
Big business IS the new government and truly, you should really stop parroting the propaganda; I know you are smarter than that. I don’t have to worry about anyone taking any of my money because all my income is tax free from a variety of sources. And yes, I have some questions about 9/11, which I didn’t have until I started studying the MEast intelligence that our gov’t was given and which they chose to ignore, thereby “letting” 9/11 happen. If you haven’t read those books that detail that information, then you really aren’t in a position to have an informed opinion about the event, and if you aren’t asking questions, then you surely have been a good pawn in the (dis)(mis)information war.
“I don’t have to worry about anyone taking any of my money because all my income is tax free,” So you want everyone else to pay for your healthcare. Sounds hypocritical Maravilla… and are you saying you trust the federal government to run the whole healthcare system, the same government you don’t trust that “let” 9/11 happen?
Is this what cognitive dissonance is?
It is absolutely sinful that this country doesn’t have universal healthcare for its citizens, yet with the mere whisper of such a program all the right-wingnuts start screaming “socialism!” That is the duty of government — to provide for its citizens and to protect the borders, not make under the table deals with big business to protect their interests at the peril of the citizens who put these crooks in power in the first place. Any system of gov’t run healthcare would be better than the one we have now – the one that is FOR PROFIT and which has the ability to decide if you get treatment or not depending on the impact to the company’s bottomline. HMOs are inherently corrupt and some of them are getting sued by the very states whose citizens were denied life-saving treatment. Where is it that I said I wanted everyone to pay for my healthcare. I pay into healthcare systems in two countries, thank you very much. But mostly, IF I got to a doctor (which is once a year or less!) I pay out of pocket because I can afford to. Governments have been lying to the public since they figured out they could. Your comment was typical of someone who isn’t dealing with facts, but rather parroting propaganda that has been forced down your throat your entire life. I don’t think you don’t have a clue what cognitive dissonance is, and if you did, you would ask the obvious questions: What did the CIA/gov’t know before 9/11 and what did they do with that info? What did they know before the Ruskies shot down Francis Gary Powers? What about Guatemala, Indonesia, or Honduras, or any of the other big fat dirty lies we were told? I’m not the only person on the block who wonders about 9/11. I’d like to know WHY my girlfriend was killed in the first plane to hit the WTC. You’ll never get answers unless you first know how to ask a question, or to dare to question what you are being told.
Maravilla – I think I love you
And whoever still believes the US government’s explanation about 9/11 – which is THE conspiracy theory – after all this time, after all the various new reports from engineers saying how impossible the official story of the buildings collapse is, how impossible the official story is about the planes, how impossible it is that there were so many military exercises taking place that very day that supposedly allowed us to let down all air defenses, how the translators knew in advance and how demolition experts have confirmed their belief that it was a controlled demolition then A: You can’t or won’t read and B: There’s really no hope for you
PS. If you spend more than ten minutes online, you will find plenty of evidence that says the London subway bombings and the Madrid train station attack were ordered and executed by the same people that made 9/11 happen
Ahhhhh, that’s sweet! I think I love you too! The truth about what our, or any government, is capable to doing and then lying about is almost too great for the average person to wrap their mind around. 9/11 isn’t the first incident and it won’t be the last that the powers that be will execute. Look how many people still believe that our invasion of Iraq was about terrorism? You don’t have to scratch the surface very hard to figure out what a lie that was, and yet all the big goons just kept repeating the lie over and over again until the average person accepted it as gospel. I could make a list of all our coups, assassinations, and populace manipulating tactics for the last 60 years, every one of which sounds like a conspiracy theory except for the fact they’re true, and I’d bet that 90% of people wouldn’t believe a one of them even though the documents have been declassified and are readily available for anyone to read, if you just know where to look, and are curious enough to want to know the truth behind the lies the spin doctors tell us. Me, I don’t believe anything I’m told. It’s gotten me into hot water since I was in grade school! And isn’t the conflict in Georgia a mirror image of “Wag the Dog”??? A little skirmish here and there is good for the politics of fear…………..oooooooooh, big bad Russia; we’re going to have to have a good military leader like Johnny Mc to smack them around and save us all. jejeje
“..big bad Russia” except what the US media conveniently fails to mention is that the American-armed and Israeli trained Georgian army swarmed into South Ossetia last Thursday, killing an estimated 2,000 civilians, sending 40,000 South Ossetians fleeing over the Russian border, and destroying much of the capital, Tskhinvali. The attack was unprovoked and took place a full 24 hours before even ONE Russian soldier set foot in South Ossetia.
Who’s the bad guy now?
Thank you for the clarity Maravilla. So you do trust the government to run our healthcare system. The same government that allowed 9/11. With that kind of logic, Obama is sure to lose thank God.
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