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Let me first say that I do not approve any religion and specifically disapprove of the Muslim religion or culture and I would move away from any place that is predominantly of that fanatic and zealous culture. I am not tying to offend anyone. On the other hand, the article “Why I am leaving Canada to retire to Costa Rica” struck me as a bit over board.
This article can be found at:
https://www.welovecostarica.com/members/Why_Im_Leaving_Canada_To_Retire_In_Costa_Rica.cfmI admit to ignorance about Canada but I have not read any reports that that country is over run with Muslims. As far as I know, it is still a predominantly white, Anglo Saxon culture on one side and French on the other. We have intense immigration here in the States and where I live, the vast majority of the residents are Hispanic. But the overall flavor of the States is still Anglo Saxon. Has Canada been transformed or is the writer of that article exaggerating?
If there is exaggeration regarding the Muslim population, then there may be exaggeration about the health care suituation. If so, I doubt the writer is going to be overly pleased with the lines encountered in Costa Rica.
Maybe a Canadian expat can enlighten me on a comparison between the two countries.
Solely on your comments made on the Muslim issue, I need to post this, originally aired on the TV show, The West Wing, right after 911.
” The Muslim extremest’s are to Islam, as _______ is to Christianity”
The answer being “The KKK”
I think this is a very accurate way to illustrate a point.
That being that Islam, like any religion is mostly made up of kind, well meaning, albeit mis-directed, people, and should not carry the burden of the extremest that make the news.I cannot belive that an educated person that has their eyes open would write such a thing about those who practice the muslim religion. 99.9 percent of them or more are peaceful people. What an ignorant post. if you don’t change with the world, the world changes without you.” I am ashamed for you, and you should be ashamed of yourself.
i have friends in france and england who share similar sentiments about the influx of “foreigners” into their culture.
[quote=”2BNCR”]99.9 percent of them or more are peaceful people. [/quote] You have never been to the middle east? I guess you have maybe never been to Saudi Arabia where Mecca is? Well they believe they are peaceful until Wednesday comes around and they chop off peoples heads for not obeying sharia law.
You might only be around the 10 percent that is peaceful! I have seen in South America where Muslim’s believe in having South American women as wifes only to produce children and then send the children back to their countries after they are of age to learn the true Muslim ways.
What we see here in the west is just the beginning see what happens to the UK in the next couple of years. Look at Russia and ask them about the children at Beslan and if the Muslim culture is peaceful!
If you really believe that Islam is peaceful pick up the Koran and read it you will be astonished. I have and was!
Ticorealtor, thanks for responding with points I would have also made. All religions have extremists and all extremists in those religions are given ground on which to stand by the moderates, those kind, well meaning believers who unwittingly support the extremists by holding up their ridiculous, incredulous, primitive religions as truths.
2BNCR, the ignorant position is yours if you think beliefs are harmless. Beliefs lead to actions. Some christians beat their children with rods per biblical instruction, some Muslims kill wives and daughters per the Koran. Some nations enforce Koran laws.
Costa Rica may not be as far removed from Canadian culture (is there such a thing?) as it is from Muslim culture, but I’ll bet it is far enough removed from Canadian culture to be upsetting for the author.
Regardless of everyone’s individual view on the matter, it is a serious enough issue to mobilize the Merkel & Sarkozy administrations into immigration action and limitations on muslim dress for safety issues. Like not being allowed to wear hats & sunglasses in many Costa Rican banks. The bottom line is that it is a taxation on their system without added revenue, like most all current government entities, with maybe the exception of New Zealand. It is more of a money issue than safety or religious profiling since the majority of European immigrants are from predominantly muslim N African, middle eastern & eastern European countries.
Culture versus religion,
I can only speak from my experience and yes I have never been to Saudi Arabia and I know a couple of handfuls of Muslims.
I assume you are saying that the majority of Muslims are uneducated and are led to belive in an extreme view of Islamic law that supercedes national or regional law.
Aren’t you really condeming culture rather than their religion. Hasn’t cretain cultures corrupted the religion to reflect their culturl values.
Culture and religion: one and the other are not necessarily the same.
not everyone who is a christian is an evangelical. one is an MOR and the other is an extreme fundamentalist. the same can be said said for islam and muslims. yes, the fundamentalists believe a woman should be stoned to death for infidelity or talking back to her husband. you know who the thieves are because one hand is missing. from everything i know about islam there is nothing in the koran that says flying your plane into the WTC is okay and all this blah blah about killing the infidels is the extreme interpretation by the Wahabi and the Brotherhood. my nephew is a muslim, having converted to marry a woman from the emirates. islam is not a violent religion; it has been manipulated and twisted by those with an agenda, much as the christian extremists have twisted christianity to suit their agenda. europe is under siege, as is england, as is detroit. what was the last count? a billion muslims in the world. they’ve got us outnumbered.
All of the holy books in question DO instruct acts of violence and incredible barbarism because they were both developed by a primitive, violent iron age tribe of village raiding nomads.
Religious moderates carry around a terrible dogma: they imagine a path to peace once each of us has learned to respect the unjustified beliefs of others. The problem with religious moderation is that it does not permit any criticism of religious literalism…and we all know how dangerous religious literalism can be.
I don’t think we can afford any longer to be politically correct on this matter. There is a price to pay for tolerance of ignorance. If religious people are going to be insulted when we question their absurd beliefs, too bad. No belief should be left unquestioned and unchallenged.
it’s also about interpretation. certain words had different meanings back “then” and let’s not forget that there are different versions of both the bible and i would suppose, the koran. what i do find ironic is that the author is fleeing canada because of the influx of muslims. he’s not going to another part of canada, he’s moving to costa rica, where the ticos often complain about the influx of gringos. what goes around comes around; he may be the gringo nobody wants in their neighborhood, or in their line at the caja, grocery store, etc.
btw, i know some muslims who absolutely dispute that violence is advocated in the koran, so there you go.
[quote=”2BNCR”]Culture versus religion,
I assume you are saying that the majority of Muslims are uneducated and are led to belive in an extreme view of Islamic law that supercedes national or regional law.
Culture and religion: one and the other are not necessarily the same.[/quote]
Why would you assume education has anything to do with this topic? extreme views of Islamic law does not mean they are uneducated. In fact what we think extreme is would be the normal in a sharia state. The notion that most U.S. Americans have is that the true Muslims (extremist if you will)come from camel farms and live in tents. Well you are wrong, most are highly educated and know exactly what they are doing. Some are even educated in the U.S. and have degrees from U.S. university’s and collages.
The other issue that Culture and religion are not the same is where most people in the world that are not Muslim can’t understand. In the Muslim worlds they are the same, the Koran dictates your culture! Why do you think that the conflicts start? How about when a Muslim taxi driver in Minnesota refuses to allow a dog or wine in his taxi or when a Target cashier will not scan pork. Its the same reason why in the middle east a burger king will close down during prayer time, sharia law dictates it!
You will not understand it because you have not been to the true Islamic state and that is where all Muslims must aspire to be. When they make their way to Mecca they understand what their true religion is about.
Just recently I was at a community pool in the Midwest with my children. I noticed a lot of women with head dresses, it reminded me of when I was in Saudi in the 90s and I vowed that I would never want my children to grow up in that kind of society. Well now it Sharia law is starting to creep into our lives, little by little!
I ask any of the members in this posting to ask their friends that are Muslim, two questions.
1.) are you shia or shuni
2.) how was your experience to Mecca?Although a Canadian, we have lived in Costa Rica for over 9 years. We also lived in a part of Canada where there wasn’t many visible Muslims but lots of hippies…
Where our children and children live now, a city in the interior of BC, Canada there are indeed East Indians families but there is no problem with them being accepted into this community. They have their temple and they way of life but it definitely doesn’t seem to be a concern in the community.
Yes, the wait for hospitals and doctors have increased for many reason.
Oh, by the way, we immigrated to Canada from the UK in 1971 and lived there for 29 years. We left for a few reasons and high taxes were part of it but weather was the most important reason. While we love it here in Costa Rica, my husband would return in a ‘heartbeat….’
John will find many things to complain about when he moves here, I am sure….and then may realize what he is missing.I neglected to add this part, which I had put on the ‘comment’ part where other comment have been made’
“I would think the law he is referring to is that separate residences requires the accommodations to be ‘legal’ as in a legal suite with the required exits, windows, etc that many municipalities insist on, to stop the renting out of basements that are considered ‘unfit for habitation’.”
And Mr John Oldham, I would mention to you, to keep your [i]’thoughts to yourself'[/i] when you make the move to Costa Rica because you will not be popular amongst other Canadians, of that I am quite sure.
I really hope Scott will delete this article and like the other poster, I don’t expect he will stay…tico realtor said:
Just recently I was at a community pool in the Midwest with my children. I noticed a lot of women with head dresses, it reminded me of when I was in Saudi in the 90s and I vowed that I would never want my children to grow up in that kind of society. Well now it Sharia law is starting to creep into our lives, little by little!
They banned wearing headdress in French schools a while ago. this is a trend now starting to move throughout Europe, as a way, i suspect, of making them less visible in the general population.
As long as there as Madrassas, there will be continue to be violence as those are the training grounds for islamic soldiers. does anyone know what the muslim population in costa rica is?
I have to say that I was very offended by the article on leaving Canada. I just cannot imagine why it was allowed on this web site with phrases such as “no more turbans….” And, I’m sorry, don’t tell me “it’s a different point of view.” It’s simply racism and certainly not the type of attitude I want to see fostered here in Costa Rica or in any other place for that matter. I for one don’t want these types of gringos here.
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