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There has been a long history of conditioning North Americans to love Israel and Israel’s “cause”. I was a victim of that conditioning for many years while I was still inside the left-right paradigm.
But after a while, even the most brainwashed among us have to wake up to the truth. This is not about individuals. It is about a small group of individuals, a cabal, that moves, thinks, controls prey and kills like a single predator. It hollows out cultures and the wealth of countries from within like a virus and has little to do, as far as I can tell, with the religion it claims as its own. And its range of control is worldwide. It is everywhere, even in Costa Rica.
1. It’s because the evidence that anybody can easily find clearly shows that Israel is the #1 destination for this disgusting trade in organs. Israel – a tiny little speck of country in this great big world of ours – is the #1 customer for the illegal trafficking of organs.
2. I did NOT start this thread, I am merely contributing ….
3. You’re good at looking at the headlines but you are missing the forest for the trees:
Nancy Scheper-Hughes is Chancellor’s Professor of Medical Anthropology at the University of California Berkeley, the founder of Organ Watch, and the author of scholarly books and articles on organ trafficking.
While Scheper-Hughes emphasizes that traffickers and procurers come from numerous nations and ethnicities, including Americans and Arabs, she is unflinchingly honest in speaking about the Israeli connection:
“Israel is at the top,” she states. “It has tentacles reaching out worldwide.”
In a lecture last year sponsored by New York’s PBS 13 Forum, Scheper-Hughes explained that Israeli organ traffickers, “had and still have a pyramid system at work that’s awesome…they have brokers everywhere, bank accounts everywhere; they’ve got recruiters, they’ve got translators, they’ve got travel agents who set up the visas…
According to Dagens Nyheter: “Half of the kidneys transplanted to Israelis since the beginning of the 2000s have been bought illegally from Turkey, Eastern Europe or Latin America. Israeli health authorities have full knowledge of this business but do nothing to stop it.
At a conference in 2003 it was shown that Israel is the only western country with a medical profession that doesn’t condemn the illegal organ trade. The country takes no legal measures against doctors participating in the illegal business – on the contrary, chief medical officers of Israel’s big hospitals are involved in most of the illegal transplants.”
This is just one article, there are many, many more …
It doesn’t bother me in the slightest to be proven wrong so if you saying that Israel is NOT the the #1 country for illegal organ trafficking, then please show me equally convincing evidence that it is not…
Scott
[quote=”sweikert925″][quote=”sprite”]
I don’t accept coincidence an an explanation. Where ever the Israelis have settled in large groups, they have had trouble getting along with their neighbors.
[/quote]You have it exactly backwards. It isn’t Jews who have had trouble with their neighbors, it is their neighbors who have had trouble with them.
By that logic racists are not to blame for their racism, if must be the blacks themselves who are the cause. And it must be some flaw in women that causes misogyny.
And I was having a pretty happy day today. The along came filth like this.[/quote]
Man, I dislike being in this position…. Have you ever lived in an area where the Hasidim moved in? Insisting on non-compliance with local and state law and getting away with it. Look up information on Kiryas Joel and get back to me.
Scott
Your wasting your personal time that can never be recovered.
In trying to debate someone that is semi conscience and I use the words sparingly is nothing more than participating in this mental masturbation circle.
sweikert will debate you on everything from the Caja to the the cost of living in costa rica to the amount of fast food places to organ traffickers. This is in his nature.
and he is probably doing this on someone else dime
he is probably an employee that a company entrusted him to work on productive items but instead wastes his time on the internet and then goes around speaking like he actually knows what he is talking about.
and in todays soundbite culture he even sound like he knows his stuff.
here is a great scene from goodwill hunting where some topical information guy tries to use that to intimidate a less educated Ben Affleck, then later gets schooled by Matt Damon
can you pick out who best represents Sweikert??:D:D:D
It is my observation and I have gotten many pm’s supporting this statement that it’s people like Sweikert that keep the perpetuating cogs of government going and going and going.
Because they actually believe in this superficial make believe bubble of reasoning.
1. Once gain, I did not start this thread which is entitled ‘Israel accused of organ harvesting in Costa Rica’ but I am contributing with information about Israel being accused of organ harvesting…
2. Why no condemnation of Dr. Mora and Costa Rica? Well the last time I looked, like anybody else he is innocent until proven guilty and although he may have been accused of being involved in organ trafficking, I know nothing about his involvement and it would be incredibly unwise for me to comment on these allegations.
3. Again remembering the “Through Deception Thou Shall Do War” former motto of the Israeli secret service, it’s prudent to remember that our Israeli “allies” are infamous for saying one thing and doing another …
You know small, unimportant things like “[url=http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/study-israel-leads-in-ignoring-security-council-resolutions-1.31971]Israel holds the record for ignoring United Nations Security Council resolutions[/url]”, they don’t kidnap and torture Palestinian children and they don’t have nuclear weapons!
As you may know Talmudic Judaism actively encourages Jews to deceive Gentiles in order to advance Jewish causes (Baba Kama 113a) so it would be prudent for us to ignore what Israeli Medical Association or any Israeli politician claims and instead, look at what they do…
Their actions speak very much louder than their words! And their racist and genocidal actions are very, very clear for all the world to see!
You and I think more alike than you probably realize, it would appear that we both believe in equality but anybody who follows the teachings in the Talmud certainly does not and they do NOT think the same way as you and I do…
Again their actions prove that without a shadow of a doubt!
You may have missed this article from any Israeli newspaper over the weekend:
[url=http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/new-details-emerge-on-organ-trafficking-ring-between-israel-and-costa-rica.premium-1.531368]New details emerge on organ trafficking ring between Israel and Costa Rica.[/url]
“Illegal organ trade was uncovered at Ben-Gurion Airport after Costa Rican couple arrived in Israel to ‘donate’ a kidney.”
“Costa Rica asked Israel on Friday for its cooperation in investigating an international organ trafficking ring that worked with Israeli doctors and specialized in selling kidneys to patients in Israel and Eastern Europe. Costa Rica did not name any of the Israeli doctors alleged to be involved in the ring.”
“In recent years Costa Rica has served as a destination for Israeli patients needing kidney transplants. The price for a kidney transplant on the black market is estimated at some NIS 700,000 per kidney.”
It would appear the pressure has become too much for Israel now that they have been caught red-handed so now they claim to be: “exposing the organ trafficking ring operating between Israel and Costa Rica.”
I am leaving in a few minutes and will be traveling in Costa Rica for most of this week so will have to leave you and let you guys discuss this without me …
Scott
Have a safe and enjoyable time in your travels Scott. And remember, don’t accept drinks from strangers while out and about… you wouldn’t want to wake up in a bathtub of ice in a strange hotel somewhere missing a kidney someone removed after slipping you a mickey. It happens all the time…. I read it on the internet, so it must be true! 🙂
[quote=”imxploring”]Have a safe and enjoyable time in your travels Scott. And remember, don’t accept drinks from strangers while out and about… you wouldn’t want to wake up in a bathtub of ice in a strange hotel somewhere missing a kidney someone removed after slipping you a mickey. It happens all the time…. I read it on the internet, so it must be true! :-)[/quote]
or you can ask sweikert :shock::shock::shock::oops::oops:
I’m not against Jews, I’m against the injustice of Zionism – a philosophy which dictates that one group of people are entitled to the land of another by virtue of their religious beliefs alone. But while I oppose Zionism and the Talmud teachings as a gross and unjust philosophy, I always keep in mind that all Jews are not Zionists. In fact, i understand that many Jews are more adamantly opposed to Zionism than non-Jews.
Scott
I came across an interesting review of Solschenitsyn’s ‘Two Hundred Years Together’ Illuminating to say the least! It’s rather long, but so interesting.
[quote=”sweikert925″][quote=”VictoriaLST”]
Man, I dislike being in this position[/quote]Then why did you place yourself into it?
[quote=”VictoriaLST”]
Have you ever lived in an area where the Hasidim moved in? Insisting on non-compliance with local and state law and getting away with it. Look up information on Kiryas Joel and get back to me.[/quote]I don’t much relish getting assigned homework by you so why don’t you explain what local and state laws you believe this community of Hasidic Jews insists on being exempted from.
In any case this upstate New York town is thousands of miles away from you so why on earth does it make the slightest difference to you how they choose to live in their own community? The Amish in Ohio and Pennsylvania have some religious strictures that the states of OH an PA make allowances for – does that bother you too?
And yes, I do live near a Jewish neighborhood that has a high proportion of Orthodox Jews – about 3 miles away – and I have absolutely no problem with them. I suspect that gives me more firsthand experience living among Jews than you have.
[/quote]I put myself in that position to educate you. For 22 years, I lived just a few miles from Kiryas Joel. It is not “living in their own community” that is the problem, it is demanding special privileges.
I have been reading your posts and they lead me to think that you do not enjoy being educated. You probably never read anything about Jiryas Joel. And I never suggested that Jews were bad or worthy of contempt, but then accusations seem to be your tactic.
Nevertheless…..
Want to beat your wife? Abuse your children? This is Kiryas Joel, state law does not apply here, so go ahead.Want to claim a property tax exemption as a house of worship? No problem. We will have a minyan meet in your home for a service. After all, the state laws don’t apply here.
Don’t want to follow the state educational curriculum? Don’t want your children to learn English? Don’t want your daughters to get an education? No problem. State laws don’t apply here.
Election day? The rebbe will tell you how to vote, you don’t even have to know the names of the candidates. (A voting bloc like that can and does sway elections.)
Want to work in the diamond district and not claim income? No problem. Cash is king and you can still get your welfare and food stamps.
The best man at our wedding was my husband’s college roommate and Jewish. One of my bridesmaids was Jewish. I am not criticizing a religion, I am criticizing behavior.
All that having been said, I am finished with this thread and your nonsense.
[quote=”VictoriaLST”]I have been reading your posts and they lead me to think that you do not enjoy being educated. You probably never read anything about Jiryas Joel. And I never suggested that Jews were bad or worthy of contempt, but then accusations seem to be your tactic.
Nevertheless…..
Want to beat your wife? Abuse your children? This is Kiryas Joel, state law does not apply here, so go ahead.Want to claim a property tax exemption as a house of worship? No problem. We will have a minyan meet in your home for a service. After all, the state laws don’t apply here.
Don’t want to follow the state educational curriculum? Don’t want your children to learn English? Don’t want your daughters to get an education? No problem. State laws don’t apply here.
Election day? The rebbe will tell you how to vote, you don’t even have to know the names of the candidates. (A voting bloc like that can and does sway elections.)
Want to work in the diamond district and not claim income? No problem. Cash is king and you can still get your welfare and food stamps.
The best man at our wedding was my husband’s college roommate and Jewish. One of my bridesmaids was Jewish. I am not criticizing a religion, I am criticizing behavior.
All that having been said, I am finished with this thread and your nonsense.[/quote]
Have to admit (having some first hand knowledge) that some of your points are also true when dealing with some of the “closed” jewish communities in NYC as well as in upstate NY. The same can also be said and applied to segments of other religious and ethnic groups that represent the far extremes of such groups however.
And the cycle of mental masturbation goes on and on and on.. 🙄
Guys can you imagine Sweikert actually taking a shot at living here??
I would pay to see this as a reality show.
[quote=”sweikert925″][quote=”VictoriaLST”]The best man at our wedding was my husband’s college roommate and Jewish. One of my bridesmaids was Jewish. I am not criticizing a religion, I am criticizing behavior.[/quote]
If you truly believe that only bad behavior should be criticized and not adherents of a particular religion then why was your first comment in this thread “Have you ever lived in an area where the Hasidim moved in?” and not “The best man at our wedding was my husband’s college roommate and Jewish. One of my bridesmaids was Jewish. And they are lovely people. It is shameful that some of you are claiming that Jews in general are contemptible.”
Of course I added those last 2 statements because I don’t know actually how you feel about that best man and bridesmaid but I’m hoping that you had warm feelings for them if they were invited to participate in your wedding party.
That reminded me that in my first year at college I had 3 roommates – 2 were Jewish (one was Orthodox) and one was Canadian. The only one I disliked was the Canadian but it had nothing to do with his being Canadian. I liked the 2 Jewish roommates and it had nothing to do with their being Jewish. ALL people deserve to be judged based on their individual traits and attitudes, not on what religious, ethnic or national group they belong to.
All those examples of “special privileges” have nothing to do with religion, they are applicable to all ethnic and religious groups.[/quote]
Come now david…. what kind of entrepreneur are you…. you should have pitched the reality show idea to some TV producers before mentioning it here! Now someone else is going to jump all over your idea!!!! 🙂
[quote=”imxploring”]Come now david…. what kind of entrepreneur are you…. you should have pitched the reality show idea to some TV producers before mentioning it here! Now someone else is going to jump all over your idea!!!! :-)[/quote]
let me ask you.. honestly. I think it would be a great reality show to see Swiekert go thru his day to day of trying to acclimate himself here all the way to when he places all of his stuff on craigslist because it would be too expensive to reship back to the U.S.??
it would be akin to a show like Preppers!!! 😯
let me say this. It’s not that I wish him to fail or wish bad things for him but one cannot honestly say you can spot some common denominators of people that stay and people that leave costa rica.
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