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[quote=”bogino”]
If it [b]LOOKS[/b] like a Duck and it [b]QUACKS[/b] like a Duck then guess what: It [b]IS[/b] a Duck![/quote]Yes, but is being a duck illegal?
Or . .
If it looks [b]to you[/b] like a duck, and if it sounds [b]to you[/b] like a duck, does that alone make it a duck? (Maybe your perceptions are skewed.)
David, things have changed since the 70s – and since my experience in the 90s. I think the thing to note here is that you were an employee who could disallow ‘the welfare’ and I was bound by confidentiality. I couldn’t do anything about welfare cheats so they didn’t hide things from me (as much) like they did from you.
All public assistance has grown so much since initiated that government social service agencies can’t keep track of cheating. It is rampant.
Victoria, I have never asserted that there is no or little cheating in government-provided social programs. Nor would I. With my single perspective, I have far too little firsthand information to go on to make such a global claim. Others do so at the risk of their own credibility.
I can tell you, however, that since the 1970s the requirements for checking and verification have been dramatically strengthened. So the likelihood is that the programs are “cleaner” today than they were then.
I can also tell you that, based upon two decades of the hard data, generated by full-time Food Stamp Program auditors, which my wife analyzed for the USDA, the greatest incidence and the greatest dollar value of incorrect issuance was attributable not to recipients but to caseworkers, and the incidence of under issuance was as great as the incidence of over issuance.
In the case of [i]bogino’s[/i] anecdote about the Food Stamp user driving the Mercedes, s/he and we have far too little information to render a judgement. As maravilla rightly observed, that person may have been driving her employer’s car, her sister’s, her neighbor’s, or one on which she owed more than its worth. None of those would make her either ineligible nor a cheat. And since bogino didn’t (couldn’t, really) gather enough facts to get the whole story, we really don’t know if this person who, bogino says, walked like a duck and quacked like a duck was really a duck or whether she was an authorized surrogate shopper for a shut-in unable to shop for him- or herself. None of us really knows, do we?
Things are not always as they seem.
Sorry to say but I [b]KNOW[/b] what I saw and you [b]DON’T[/b]. I was just citing the example of the Middle Eastern woman and her Mercedes as but 1 example of what goes on day in and day out involving so many of these [b]social parasites[/b]. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out how polluted and abused our entitlement system is. However, those that are “takers” and not “givers” will always find excuses for defending Entitlements. Not surprising since nowadays it is much easier to sit in the cart than pull the cart.
As far as the nonsense about maybe the Mercedes belong to her boss or a relative……..[b]COME ON!!!![/b] If you believe that crap I have a GREAT Rolex I’ll sell you for $50.00!
you’re ASSUMING so many things without really having any facts. and you know what they say about the word assume.
it could be what you say it is, and it could also not be what you say it is. i agree with David on this one. things are not always what they seem. not in this day and age, anyway.
[quote=”maravilla”] i agree with David on this one. things are not always what they seem. not in this day and age, anyway.[/quote]
I agree with the above point. The difference is that you likely believe that most of these people are saints whereas I believe most are snakes.
[quote=”bogino”]Sorry to say but I [b]KNOW[/b] what I saw . . .[/quote]
I understand what you saw and I acknowledge the (limited) facts as you have presented them. What neither of us knows, however, are [b]ALL[/b] the facts.
Unless you can relate the name of the owner of the vehicle, taken from its title or registration, and unless you can relate the name of the driver, taken from her driver’s license, you really cannot draw the conclusion that this “Middle Eastern” woman, regardless of her heritage, was driving a car she owned. What you saw was a Middle Eastern (why that’s significant escapes me) woman driving [b][u]someone’s[/u][/b] Mercedes. That is the sum total of what you [b]actually know[/b]. The rest is your assumption.
If you have a bill of sale for the Rolex, and if you can prove that it’s genuine, I’ll happily have my credit union send you a check. Please send me a private message with your full name and mailing address. Otherwise, . . . [b]COME ON!!!![/b] I’ll keep an eye on my Inbox here.
i don’t regard anyone who rips off our government programs to be a saint. what i am echoing is actually something that showed up on my facebook page a few days ago, but which i cannot find, so i will have to paraphrase it. it was about just this issue, where a woman asked not to be judged by other shoppers in the check-out line because she was using food stamps. she went on to say, “I do my own nails, i cut my own hair, i work two jobs and still don’t make enough money to pay my bills or buy sufficient food for my family, my cel phone is paid for by my father as a Xmas gift every year, and the car i am driving belongs to a good friend. i shop at thrift stores for my clothes and those of my children, etc etc etc” — you get the drift. and also i remember that my ex-father-in-law used to let his servants drive his new BMW to the store in East Hampton. I can only imagine the kind of judgments that were passed when a black woman drives up in a very expensive car in the most expensive place in the world to live!!! and while i am not a religious person at all, a phrase does come to mind — judge not lest ye be judged. you simply do not have enough facts to reach the conclusion you did, and there is a hint of racism and xenophobia in your post that is beneath you.
[quote=”maravilla”] and there is a hint of racism and xenophobia in your post that is beneath you.[/quote]
Whereas you may think I’m xenophobic I would simply counter that with you’re being naive. I’m am not afraid to call a spade a spade. Am not into the “political correctness” BS.
[quote=”bogino”] I’m am not afraid to call a spade a spade. [/quote]
Just don’t call a spade “a spade” to his face or the knuckle sandwich that’s floating around the Forum could be yours.
And what about my Rolex?
and also i remember that my ex-father-in-law used to let his servants drive his new BMW to the store in East Hampton.
“Servants” (plural), “new BMW”, and “East Hampton”. Thanks for the info, Maravilla. That explains a lot.
[quote=”bogino”]Sorry to say but I [b]KNOW[/b] what I saw and you [b]DON’T[/b]. [/quote]
what David is saying, I think, is that yes you saw the following:
-woman
-Middle easterner
-driving a MercedesWhat you dont know is the back stroy and yes, we workers would all be galled and upset by what you saw.
But, what is not know by a few seconds or minutes is the following:
Whose Mercedes is it? hers? neighbors that lent it to her? was it a gift? Did she win it in some raffle or whatever? Why is her ethnicity a factor? You live in the LA area, should not be as you chose to live there. IF she was lilly Sedish looking and white, then would it make it better? Was she born here? You cant know that for a glance or two.
Yes, there are a lot of cheats out there, I work processing disability cases, now Medicaid, used to, Medicaid and SSA disability and we are being over-run, no hiring, training and more applying then ever. Some of the allegations and stories are plain BS….some are not, must are either not or in the middle……..
be galled, fine……but what David is saying is 1. giving his experiences from the 60’s to the 90’s and2. we do not know the whole back story of this woman…..
That does not make one a “liberal” at all, but we do not know enough to automatically conclude she is a cheat ripping off the system……maybe, possibly, but a Duck can be many things when not quacking by your boat…..
[quote=”DavidCMurray”][quote=”bogino”] I’m am not afraid to call a spade a spade. [/quote]
Just don’t call a spade “a spade” to his face or the knuckle sandwich that’s floating around the Forum could be yours.
And what about my Rolex?
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I have a fake one from my grand-dad, thing looks brand new, but cant get it to hold a battery charge….got to get it fixed, looks too nice to sit in drawer…….esp when dressing up a bit.he ahd 2 more, but croded…….
[quote=”bogino”][quote=”maravilla”] i agree with David on this one. things are not always what they seem. not in this day and age, anyway.[/quote]
I agree with the above point. The difference is that you likely believe that most of these people are saints whereas I believe most are snakes.[/quote]
I am an ex-cop, so my trust factor is often low and have learned over the yrs to try not to judge nad jump to “automatic” conclusions…..again, if I were you, likely would have been mad too, but then, the back story is unknown…….so….could be she is a domestic for arich family and she needed transport for her own goods or the stop was part of a larger one involving the family’s goods she was getting……..who knows!
These days, be glad for what you have and pray for others…..and yes, fraud when found should be punished……I myself some yrs ago turned in a case to my Supv that had all ear marks of fraud, what happended after I turned it in? who knows, I did my job….[quote=”bogino”]Sorry to say but I [b]KNOW[/b] what I saw and you [b]DON’T[/b]. I was just citing the example of the Middle Eastern woman and her Mercedes as but 1 example of what goes on day in and day out involving so many of these [b]social parasites[/b]. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out how polluted and abused our entitlement system is. However, those that are “takers” and not “givers” will always find excuses for defending Entitlements. Not surprising since nowadays it is much easier to sit in the cart than pull the cart.
As far as the nonsense about maybe the Mercedes belong to her boss or a relative……..[b]COME ON!!!![/b] If you believe that crap I have a GREAT Rolex I’ll sell you for $50.00![/quote]
you must really love Costa Rica, not founded on the Calvinist “free market” of predestination…
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