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Interesting, maravilla.
So if it’s [u]your[/u] rights that are trampled upon, that’ll be all right too? Remember, nobody died and left you to be the arbiter of what’s right and wrong.
If you live by the gun, then you die by the gun! I believe in taking the fight to them, or at least meeting them half way cross the Gulf and save some gas. Do you think if we strung up disemboweled illegals along the border it would reduce the flow across our borders. Just a thought! Oh, that’s right they may not like us then. I thought we’d be more like the new world order, just like our Middle Eastern and Asian brethren.
thanks to all this drug malarkey which then leads to terrorism or so they say, my rights are trampled up when i get frisked at the airport and asked a million questions because i tried to board a plane without luggage. our rights have basically disappeared in favor of protecting the criminals and THEIR rights. seems pretty lame to me.
the taliban is the largest grower of opium poppies the profits from which they use to fund terrorism. it was decreed years ago that if you are a drug dealer, you are basically a terrorist because how could the gov’t know that you are not using those illegal funds to sponsor terror cells. and the whole clampdown on international banking, especially in latin america, also harks back to making sure we are not depositing illegal drug money into these banks. how do you not know these things?
[quote=”DavidCMurray”]maravilla, Ron, nothing I’ve written in any way argues against an individual’s right to self-defense. Nothing. If you disagree, quote me.
But what Ron advocates is the crew of a United States Coast Guard vessel taking one prisoner from the crew of a boat running drugs in international waters (where, by the way, the drugs are not illegal) and arbitrarily “executing” (“murdering”, actually) the rest. The survivor, of course, would live to spread the word to his fellows.
maravilla, if you want to give Ron a license to murder, I guess that’s your business. Me? Not so much!
Remember, if he can arbitrarily murder drug runners, he can arbitrarily murder anyone else. You’ll want to stay out of his sights.
What this really smacks of is vigilantism. Ron asserts that the system doesn’t work and so advocates taking the law into his own hands to protect interests he sees in jeopardy. He’ll be the police officer, prosecutor, judge, jury and executioner. And all with no legal protections or constraints. If any of that sounds to you like behavior in the best tradition of (say) the Ku Klux Klan, then we have a point upon which we can agree.[/quote]
Hi Dave, everyone has there right to think what they want. First, when I was in the CG they did have the legal to arrest in international waters, and as a federal agent we actually had legal rights to arrest anyone suspected of a crime on any Federal land anywhere in the US and its posseions. Yes self defense is OK, so in self defense of drugs being smuggled into the States and killing many users,(which is OK in my mind) it is self defense of those users that we are protecting. I know that a large majority of law abidding people do not feel that would be right. I guess maybe you were a lawyer for the ACLU in the past. And, I for one do not feel the crimanls have rights. Why do they need to watch cable TV in prison and have AC in prison. Look at Sheriff Arpio in Arizona he has the right idea, treat prisoners as they are bad people. What happens to the victem rights? Well that is enough for now because I know many people may think I am bad because of my attitude, but that is my choice. Ron USCG Ret
then you had better do some research because it was the US who decreed that drug dealers were the equivalent to terrorists, just like the taliban. drugs finance the taliban, or don’t you agree with that either? not that i care, but you’ve obviously not been following this line of if A then B that has been going on in the STates for the last 5 or 6 years.
http://www.politicolnews.com/karzai-brothers-drug-deals/
and now we’re supposed to believe that there was no Intel on the Karzai boys? yeah right, and I’m Princess Di.
you know, john, if you did even a little research into these issues you might learn something useful instead of just blowing off steam at every comment that doesn’t meet with your paradigm.
DHS has new provisions for domestic terrorism and that can include anything and everything they want it to be including being a drug dealer. there are a whole new set of laws governing this. i don’t need to do the research but apparently you do. you’re not always right, john, despite your contention that you are and everyone else is wrong.
and don’t believe everything you think.
omg…..what was I thinking? That I could dare to enter into a discourse with such a dazzling intellect as yours, and against one who possesses such powers of reasoning, and such talent at research…….I’m sore ashamed, and I hearby withdraw from this discussion…….you win
there’s no discourse with you — you believe what you want to believe whether or not it’s the truth and if you’d been following the twists and turns of the domestic terrorism portions of DHS, you wouldn’t have had to argue with me at all. i didn’t make the rules, they did. and i happen to have a lot of knowledge about this particular aspect of this domestic terrorist/drug dealer area because someone i know got profiled and was held in jail without due process for more than two months. you don’t believe they did that, well, i don’t know what to say except that you are a very funny person sometimes and crack me up with your snotty and condescending remarks to not only me, but a lot of other people on this board. i forgot, you are the Grand Mufti and one must not contradict you! jejeje
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