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If I was a first time visitor to this website this string of messages would turn me off completely. I agree with Sprite as there would be no where to escape the end of the world as we know it. Usually when a post is made many people get involved. Not on this one.
I have to agree… and when I re-read the post, I realized that it was originally posted as somewhat speculative opinion of what could happen… although we all have plans for the future, and we all have differing reasons for our move, being speculative about “what can happen” is fruitless and yes we have to plan for “problems” but common sense has to prevail here.
What started as an enviromentally based thread, quickly turned to “armageddon” theory… enough!!!
The Mayans calender stops at 2012… some would have you think that is when the world will end… but think about it… they went hundreds of years into the future when it was written and thought “well that’s all I want to do on this for now… like all calenders they end! They just didn’t start another one!
Enough of this… let’s get back to the pura vida!
Brian
Edited on Oct 25, 2009 06:11
The topic of a world wide societal melt down is a pertinant one on this forum. Consider the kind of people who contemplate and act upon a move from North America or Europe to Costa Rica. The state of mind involved in leaving one’s home to start a new life in another land and culture is related to the state of mind which will consider a new world coming about. Of course, surviving a crisis which has plunged the world into a new dark age is much more extreme than merely changing geography and cultures. But it is still under the topic of making life adjustments. Who who has not thought of these things? And who has not imagined what he/she would do to prepare? It’s entertaining to talk about even if it’s not very helpful.
I do admire your passion. I also agree that your freedom is what you make it. The US has been on a path of change for a very long time now and a good 50 years after Mr. Lincoln’s words were written the establishment of the Fed became the cornerstone of that change. Those warnings of course go back well before his time. The destruction of the dollar has been an on going method to as I mentioned here a while back create an environment where the profits are privatized and the losses socialized. Heck, a silver quarter today for the value of the metal will still buy you a gallon of gas just like it did in 1963, its last year of issue. 90% of that value has been destroyed since.
The key component here is conspiritorial maintainence of the health of the banksters both public and private. No one entity, NO ONE is more complicit in that than the US government itself. It is a conscious and methodical effort to artificially maintain unrealistic home values to keep Fonie and Fraudie and FHA from imploding and taking down the whole financial system. Were that to occur your economic warfare would certainly ensue, IMO no? There is no better con that to say you are doing someone a favor in the guise of ripping them off. Anyone who was introduced to Madoff will attest to that. More so, how about you get 8000USD to buy an inflated 250000USD house that without that credit you could get for 100000USD.
This is the greatest arguement for moving your money out.
Thank you for keeping me straight, caliskatari. A cursory look at the contents of this forum would reveal that I’m actually one of the more active contributors.
You might also be interested to know that I’ve been involved in online forums since well before you were born and I’ve followed the phenomenon with great interest. One of the most valuable features of this or any forum is what is referred to as “drift” in which a conversation begins in one vein but veers off onto other topics that are more (or sometimes less) relevant but which are sparked by the original subject. It’s much the way actual face-to-face human interaction takes place, so it shouldn’t be totally foreign to you.
Calistkatari,
I think what interests you is confrontational, argumentative conversation. Otherwise you wouldn’t have bothered leaving topic yourself to challenge anyone else. SO..stay on topic yourself and look for something in the topic with which you can disagree. Personally, I love to argue…especially with conservative expats living in Costa Rica.Edited on Oct 26, 2009 18:52
Ahhh OK you guys got me. You win. Really I only like to argue when my opinions differ from others, which is politics happens quite a bit. Thats why I kinda wanted to change the subject back to the original topic off what positive things people are doing.. not a depressing political conversation.. You know, if your doing something, share it with others here. Its amazing what good ideas could come up, after all we are living in the perfect climate and place to grow food.. it would be cool to hear about other peoples gardens.. and there’s great potential for renewable energy (though expensive), lots of water systems that could be done (rainwater collection, water storage, water tanks, grey-water reuse, black water reuse, etc.) and would be nice to hear from others, if they have thought of doing them, or have done them, and their experiences. Sorry for veering the top of discussion in the first place btw..
Dear caliskatari:
The future belongs now to your generation. I can only hope one thing for the younger people is simply this pay attention to what is going on around you! My generation got hooked on the “greed” that our system is able to generate. Yours needs to take your bright young minds and change this world, make it more green. I was shocked last year to learn that in Secretary of Energy Chu’s energy lab at Berkley, some of his people who looked very young, have actually turned sunlight into a liquid! Now they may not be able to make that viable for production now, but you younger people will figure that out. Last night on PBS the Danes, as in Denmark, are having a problem with their wind as well as their still dependence on oil. So some their younger people (I am talking 55 and younger) have figured make the solution maybe be to use wind, because it is so infrequent and therefore not always electric grid reliable, to charge batters to run electric cars. Getting gas would be like going to the 7-11 to exchange your propane tank before you fire up the grill to cook you evening meal. We are living on the end of an era, you are the next generation. You will be able to do more because of much technology changes you now enjoy we the elders are only getting a small glimpse in our remaining year! Yet the hard news is that you will leave much for your children, our grandchildren, to solve, but Brian that is human history. Is is human conceit for us to think we already know the answers for our generation, we don’t!
I am glad you are able to get you start in Costa Rica so early in your life. When I first came up with the idea in 1984, I didn’t have the Internet to help me research this project. Now I am an old “fart” that tries to take advantage of many of you young people can take for granted during you working day! Today I was working on trying to figure becoming familiar with my bank account in Costa Rica through Spanish. It was slow going, but I will figure it!
You will do a lot in your life like we have, but in the end, you will leave a lot undone, every generation does. The leaving undone always seems to leave each member of the older generation with a bit of sadness maybe angry about the unfinished work. This includes our many mistakes we made in our time because we were simply trying to figure out to live with our families, our friends, our country, our time in history.
Good luck on your “green” adventure, I wish I would be able to see it in 50 years!
No matter who we are, we make a mark on human history! Sometimes human history knows who we were after we are dead, and sometimes we only become dust. But the important thing to remember is that everything you try, everything you fail at, everything you succeed with will impact you, your family, your neighborhood and the country you end up dying in–nothing is every lost!
Thanks for you writings, make sure you put them in your journal!
Tom in Portland, Oregon
Edited on Oct 31, 2009 22:30
[/quote]Greetings…I can’t help myself. I feel that reading these past few threads I must comment. My wife and I have purchases a small lot near Playa Conchal and intended on building there. We have been to CR twice and have friends that live in Guanacaste. I too see the USA heading on the road to deflation and depression. I want to be there now. I am in a bind, I need to sell my house here and my lot there and find a place much like the one you have. I look at this web site and another that I like and can’t seem to find the ideal property in my price range. I too lived in Alaska and loved the cold and snow. Now I can’t seem to handle it. Brrrrr. Anyway, just wanted to get that off my chest. Looking and hoping for a miracle…
Having experienced two tours of Vietnam, one Gulf war tour and two Iraq tours; not to mention Special Operations around the world. What I have learned is take one day at a time, and, any day above ground, is a good day. I am still in combat mode here in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, there are three or four murders each day, and, you do not need a permit to own a gun. To extend the madness, you can buy one gun a month, without a permit. In comparison, anything that may happen in Costa Rica is a walk along the beach!
We are like minded people. Coming from Missouri we totally understand and agree with your plan. I think you are wise to think ahead for what ever might happen. Sounds like you have a great start. Good luck in the future. PS: How much do you rent your houses for?[quote=”caliskatari”]Since I asked the question, I might as well share what we have done too.. I have felt (since discovering shocking facts about the future production and supply of oil while writing a paper for college 5 years ago) that the world economy would be winding down to a halt right about now. I feel that all the actions by governments – war, bailout’s, debt – are all just to buy time. How much time.. nobody knows. But its all doomed for failure long term. So knowing that we are being bought time, for the price of billions of dollars per day, you might as well use that time wisely. Pick your location, where you want to be, find a property in your budget (while taking a lot of things into account if you plan to build and live a sustainable, or a more sustainable lifestyle). Read books about permaculture, organic gardening, sustainable building, and put that into effect on your own property. Or hire someone who knows how to create those systems which work together to produce food, energy and to enhance your property productivity.
What we did.. is bought a 2.5 acre property in Guanacaste. First year we planted all the fruit trees we could think of. We built our house with two rentals to provide some income. We are stock piling as much food as we can. We are starting our ogranic garden this next year, getting some chickens, maybe a goat or two. We hope to produce enough fruits from out trees, vegetables from our garden, eggs and meat from the chickens, and milk from the goats. We feel we can produce what we need.. but we know it will take time to get the hang of it. We are focusing on security with dogs and guns. We hope to build a big enough water tank for 3 months worth of backup water. We too live in the mountains, a decent distance away from others in a very peaceful setting. Yet we know we would be found once things got really bad.. we hope to find some like minded people near us, but haven’t had much luck. There are people who agree on lots of issues, but none that take it seriously to do something about it.
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I promised myself I would respond to this posting, but here I am.
I would like to say with only 2.5 acres of land, plus multiple houses, where is the ‘space’ to grow what you need?
You mention planting all the fruit trees you could think off, so can you tell us, how many and what species?
But, as yet you haven’t planted your organic garden, and so you still have to find out how difficult that is, to do here.
Please realize that there is no way, even with all the fruit trees will they not produce enough for your use all year.
We are on 250 Acres with[b] many hundreds of fruit trees of many different varieties[/b], many already producing, and for most of the time, there is no fruit! Or else, an overabundance and you will be in direction competition of the other local growers.
We have 13 adult goats with three new ‘kids’ this past week, horses and both meat and egg laying chickens. Have you priced animal feed here?
We lived next door to a young American couple, who were doing what you are intending to do, but at least it sounds like you at least decent housing, and both them and their 4 children barely survived with no one to buy their little bit of left over produce.
But, hopefully you are legally working here, and not like our neighbors whose ‘friends’ decided that they were no longer going to financially support this family.
I wish you success.This is the reason I am here, to learn..Thank you for your insite. It is much appreciated. [quote=”costaricafinca”]I promised myself I would respond to this posting, but here I am.
I would like to say with only 2.5 acres of land, plus multiple houses, where is the ‘space’ to grow what you need?
You mention planting all the fruit trees you could think off, so can you tell us, how many and what species?
But, as yet you haven’t planted your organic garden, and so you still have to find out how difficult that is, to do here.
Please realize that there is no way, even with all the fruit trees will they not produce enough for your use all year.
We are on 250 Acres with[b] many hundreds of fruit trees of many different varieties[/b], many already producing, and for most of the time, there is no fruit! Or else, an overabundance and you will be in direction competition of the other local growers.
We have 13 adult goats with three new ‘kids’ this past week, horses and both meat and egg laying chickens. Have you priced animal feed here?
We lived next door to a young American couple, who were doing what you are intending to do, but at least it sounds like you at least decent housing, and both them and their 4 children barely survived with no one to buy their little bit of left over produce.
But, hopefully you are legally working here, and not like our neighbors whose ‘friends’ decided that they were no longer going to financially support this family.
I wish you success.[/quote]
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