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December 16, 2009 at 10:11 pm #198347waggoner41Member
[quote=”soldier”]In comparison to the U.S., Costa Rica is truly a paradise.[/quote]
Well put, Soldier, the star of Costa RIca is rising while the sun of the U.S. is setting. I have family in the States who cannot see my reasoning and I am concerned for them.
If the current administration cannot push the necessary changes through an obstinate congress there is little hope that the U.S. will remain a world leader either economically or militarily.
Currently the U.S. is fighting one war too many. The enemy is in Afghanistan & Pakistan not Iraq. Iraq is a broken nation politically and does nothing but suck up lives and finances needed at home.
December 16, 2009 at 11:53 pm #198348bridgidlongMemberThe slogans of Newspeak are, War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, and Ignorance is Strength.
– George Orwell
December 17, 2009 at 4:04 pm #198349PhilharmonicMemberJust one question. If and or when America falls to the Socialist /Communist/Fascist regime that has been brewing from within for many years, how will Costa Rica survive with no standing Army/Air Force or Marines? I understand that Democratic Republics do exist, Honduras etc. but when America becomes a 3rd World Country with the Sociallists/Communists/Fascist’s (whoever) are in power, they will only support like minded Dictatorshps like they do now, for instance backing the ex-Pres. of Honduras that was thrown out because he wanted to follow in Hugo Chavez shoes and become Pres. for life. Not standing with Iranians who want freedom in their country and undermine our country every chance they get. What do you think will happen to Costa Rica when their is No One to Stand up for Constitutional Democratic Republics and the whole world is under the Thumb of Socialist/Communist/Fascist One World Order? Vensuela, Brazil, Cuba, Mexico, and anyother Country that has it’s eye on CR will have no one to stop them from doing anything they want. America will no longer Stand for Freedom, how long after that happens, that the whole world will fall? Just a few questions That I have not heard asked yet.
December 17, 2009 at 4:58 pm #198350waggoner41Member[quote=”philharmonic”]If and or when America falls to the Socialist /Communist/Fascist regime that has been brewing from within for many years[/quote]
You are asking about three different forms of “government”.
Socialism can work under a democracy while communism and fascism cannot.[b]Socialism[/b] advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
[b]Communism[/b] is a system of social organization in which all economic and social activity is controlled by a totalitarian state dominated by a single and self-perpetuating political party.
[b]Fascism[/b] is a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.
The question you ask, though, requires a response far longer than is beneficial to this forum. I put together criticisms, in another area of the ‘net, of political and economic issues as they relate to the U.S. only.
I had not addressed the issues regarding the various forms of government but I hold the belief that a state has obligations to its citizens that cannot be attained by communism or fascism.
Socialism, under which you have your acre of land and I have mine, requires a collective decision of the community (by voting) regarding what is best for the community as a whole. Under the best of circumstances there will be some who are not happy with the decisions.
Yes, Costa Rica depends on the power of the U.S. which may be waning.
However, one example is the American Revolution in which the people rise up to defend their beliefs. The only successful example, over time, I can give you of repelling invasion is the Afghans who have never been defeated.December 17, 2009 at 5:34 pm #198351PhilharmonicMemberThanks for the lesson. Like Drugs, Incrementalism creeps. Socialism (which America hass being dragged Kicking towards for 50 years) is comming which leads to Communism that eventually leads to the Hardcore Drug of Fascism.
I do hope your not saying that America has Invaded Afghanistan to take over their country. If you are, then please elaborate your thoughts on this.
Yes, America is Waking up out of a long slumber that has seen incremental changes. Political Correctness is the one area that has perpetuated the Farce, by stopping any speech that may be deemed offensive to anyone. Thus curtailing Free Speech and the Ability to speak against those that would harm our Constitution.December 17, 2009 at 9:22 pm #198352DavidCMurrayParticipantHow in the world do you arrive at the conclusion that “Socialism . . leads to Communism . . [and] Fascism”?
No country in human history has ever (ever) even claimed, however falsely, to have achieved communism in any form like what Marx and Engels or any other communist theoretician envisioned. Absent any historical record whatsoever, how can you possibly draw that conclusion?
Now there certainly are examples (Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy, Spain and Portugal come to mind) of fascism taking hold, but they hardly did so via the route of socialism –> communism –> fascism.
December 18, 2009 at 5:39 am #198353waggoner41Member[quote=”philharmonic”]I do hope your not saying that America has Invaded Afghanistan to take over their country.
America is Waking up out of a long slumber that has seen incremental changes.[/quote]
All I’m saying regarding Afghanistan is that from Alexander the Great to the Russians no one has managed to take over their etrritory. There is nothing there that the U.S. wanted except bin Laden and then he slipped out and is still loose.If you think America is waking up why would they elect an administration with admitted Fascist beliefs (Google: Project for a New American Century and look at the names associated) and then re-elect them to a second term?
I didn’t intend for this to end up as a political discussion. My interest in this thread is sustainable living.
December 18, 2009 at 5:55 am #198354waggoner41Member[quote=”DavidCMurray”]How in the world do you arrive at the conclusion that “Socialism . . leads to Communism . . [and] Fascism”?[/quote]
What David is saying here is true. Communism and Fascism are totally at odds. Hitler blamed the communists, among others, for Germanys situation in the ’30’s and then attacked Russia in the ’40’s.
Hitler became leader of Germany through guile but I can’t name a communist country that wasn’t taken by force of arms one way or another.
While I blame most Americans for a lack of intelligent thinking, the idea of term limits prevents a takeover by either Communism or Fascism. The military certainly would not be involved in a takeover in the forseeable future and the population of the U.S. wouldn’t stand for that type of government.
December 18, 2009 at 1:07 pm #198355DavidCMurrayParticipantOh, waggoner! “. . . the idea of term limits prevents a takeover by either Communism or Fascism.”? I’m afraid that’s way too simplistic.
The only thing that term limits prevent is thoughtful, knowledgeable legislation and administration. Any elected official spends the first third of his or her term just finding the restroom and the copy machine. When you discard the accumulated knowledge gained only from experience doing the work by limiting terms, all you accomplish is to leave the real policymaking to the real long-term encumbents — the bureaucrats and the lobbyists.
And, by the way, when Hitler imposted term limits by dissolving the Reichstag, it hardly prevented the takeover by fascism in Germany.
December 18, 2009 at 2:13 pm #198356soldierMemberI agree with all of the fellow members posts. However, america is also facing an even greater series of problems; ignored by the government, Department of Defense and the news media. I am referring to the hundreds of thousands of current and former military personnel suffering from PTSD, depression and anxiety, after multiple combat deployments in both theaters, (some have been 3 and 4 tours.) More U.S. soldiers are commiting suicide than are dying in combat operations. Service personnel are killing family members, friends and fellow military personnel at an alarming rate. Current military personnel with psychological problems are not being removed from combat, rather, they are prescribed psychological meds and sent back out in combat; so the military can maintain unit troop strengths. In addition, the U.S. government is issuing faulty M4 carbine weapons for our troops, that
constantly jam. And have caused many of our troops being killed and witnesssing fellow soldiers being killed, because of the weapons malfunctions. I can attribute my survival to utilizing the AK47 and AKM Russian weapons, that never let you down. American, wake up, there are highly trained, disturbed, combat trained veterans and soldiers in every community and city in America. If these soldiers and veterans are not treated, american will not need to worry about the healthcare debate, political corruption, taxes, inflation, the stock market and employment. Obama sent 30,000 more troops, or 10 more brigades into combat, which equates to 30.000 more disturbed and suicidal military members. America has more at stake than socialist or facist issues!December 18, 2009 at 3:04 pm #198357waggoner41Member[quote=”DavidCMurray”]Oh, waggoner! “. . . the idea of term limits prevents a takeover by either Communism or Fascism.”? I’m afraid that’s way too simplistic.
The only thing that term limits prevent is thoughtful, knowledgeable legislation and administration. Any elected official spends the first third of his or her term just finding the restroom and the copy machine. When you discard the accumulated knowledge gained only from experience doing the work by limiting terms, all you accomplish is to leave the real policymaking to the real long-term encumbents — the bureaucrats and the lobbyists.
And, by the way, when Hitler imposted term limits by dissolving the Reichstag, it hardly prevented the takeover by fascism in Germany.[/quote]
While I agree that time is needed for a new administration to find its way, without term limits we would have seen the re-election of “W”. To my way of thinking, not a good idea.
The dissolution of the Reichstag was simply the final step in Hitlers takeover. The Nazi party had the largest presence in the Reichstag when it was dissolved and their constant walkouts had already made it an exercise in futility and had already resulted in the replacement of the previous two chancellors, Franz von Papen & Kurt von Schleicher within a 5 month period.
It seems that voters are ruled by fear and there is a certain segment of politicians who drive fear home.
January 17, 2010 at 7:02 pm #198358oreoMemberDo you really think that if there is a crash the costa ricans are not going to take back what the foreigners have in their country. They take what they want already, gringos would be the first to be targeted. How much firepower can you have?
January 17, 2010 at 11:04 pm #198359waggoner41Member[quote=”oreo”]Do you really think that if there is a crash the costa ricans are not going to take back what the foreigners have in their country. They take what they want already, gringos would be the first to be targeted. How much firepower can you have?[/quote]
Possibly you have reason to fear if what you have was obtained unfairly. I don’t know what you are refering to by “they take what they want already”. If I had to live in fear like that I wouldn’t live here.
I have had nothing but friendship and cooperation from the Ticos and don’t expect that to change. They have nothing as it is. What difference do you think a recession is going to make?
We raise a few chickens for their eggs, grow a garden and are adding more fruit trees to our property. They share what they have and we do the same.
We didn’t come here tyo lock ourselves away behind a concrete wall or to feel that we had to have “firepower” for protection from [b]”THE OTHERS”[/b].
What we have found here is a sense of community that I knew growing up and is now lost in much of the US.
If we felt the fear that you apparently feel we would feel that we don’t belong here.
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