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Whether you are moving to another town or another country:
If you are expecting a smooth transition, that is what you will get.
If you are expecting a rough transition, that is what you will get.
Human nature is pretty much the same everywhere.
When someone moves into my culture I naturally expect them
to embrace my culture,language etc.
Since I am moving to Ticoland it is only proper that I embrace their culture,language etc.Thom
(tico in training)[quote=”Scott”]Would love to hear our VIP Member opinions on the recent letter I received from a retired U.S. citizen now very happily living in Costa Rica…
[ https://www.welovecostarica.com/members/main.cfm ][/quote]
A couple of things come to mind…
Yes, some people are negative or lazy, but not that many. Culture Shock, however, is very common and manifests itself in largely negative attitudes. Been there, done that, and I wish it on everyone. It’s a very forceful way to learn that the rest of the world does NOT think like oneself. They don’t teach you that in school or at political rallies.Even the Tico’s get frustrated with the lack of care encountered in both private & public enterprises, and so they should. There is no excuse for ignoring the people who pay your wages. It’s hot and humid so, sure, move slow. There are a myriad of government stamps, get used to it. But at least pretend you are interested in the person shelling out the Colones. Like it or not, the younger and educated generation of Tico’s will tend that way, too.
Now, the good part of inefficiency: employment. It may be “under-employment”, but better that than no job at all. Unemployment drives civil unrest and crime. So, somewhere there is a balance.. and it will likely still drive some Gringo’s a bit stir crazy. So grab a book/Kindle/Nook and have a read while you wait. 😀
The article was right on point. Anyone that has been to Costa Rica more than two days, knows that everyone is a Gringo. I am of color, and you would not know I am not a Tico; until I speak Spanish, I am also a Gringo. I enjoy the people and culture of Costa Rica, the good and the bad. From my 13 years of experiences in Costa Rica, I have found that being of color has some advantages in Costa Rica, both interpersonal with Ticos/Ticas and on a business level. Living in Costa Rica entails real-life expectations,planning properly, educating oneself, and leaving your negative personal baggage and impatience; in your home country.
[quote=”tommy999″]Whether you are moving to another town or another country:
If you are expecting a smooth transition, that is what you will get.
If you are expecting a rough transition, that is what you will get.
Human nature is pretty much the same everywhere.
When someone moves into my culture I naturally expect them
to embrace my culture,language etc.
Since I am moving to Ticoland it is only proper that I embrace their culture,language etc.Thom
(tico in training)[/quote]WELL PUT!!
[quote=”clewis”][quote=”Camby”][quote=”Johnzane”]For a company called WeLoveCostaRica, you sure spread hate. What else do you mean by publishing this obvious attack on white Americans? In Hawaii, we call them f**king Haoles. But do you see this epithet published in trade publications and websites like this? Of course not. Hawaiians are not about to bite the hands that feed them, and dealing with a few annoying tourists is not going to change that. Paradise is not without it’s snakes, but I’d rather not read about them. Please stop running anymore of these hit pieces, they do nothing to build loyalty to your brand, much less Costa Rica.[/quote]
Actually, Hawaii should be independant, it was stolen in a USA led coup, buy wealthy American industrialists (Dole fruit people I beleive for one).
Now, that said, America, the nation I was born, raised and still, live in, does not feed me-actually, much food is imported these days, much like everything else not shipped to commuinist China.
God does feed me, it is scriptural, look it up-who is in charge? Isaih ch. 30 echoes several psalms in that God, obediance to Him, equals wealth (and not, not some stock option). It equals sustanance.
Another point, I am a white European-origin (EuroAMerican if you will :roll:) male. I am proud of my Scot and German forefathers. I am very euro-centric, but also, look openly at other cultures.
I am a traditional (yup, pray the Divine Office, say rosary and go to a Latin Mass) Catholic, hence, much of Costa Rica, though a different flavor/history of Catholicism, I can relate to in many ways. Hence, that, coupled with great weather and nice Ticos, makes CR top on my lists of places to retire to or flee even to.
America, for decades of neglect, factionalism, partyism,etc,etc is dying.large parts are a war zone in major cities. A nation founded on radical “dont tread on me” liberalism, do whatever you like was the motto basically. Through in Deists and Freemasons, and it was a pot ready to explode and decay…..and now it is….
My forebearers, when they could not effect change any longer, left…..so too wish I. I served my country in the “war on crime”, crime won btw. I served 4 yrs as chairman of my states third party,etc,etc.
It is not hate to point out the obvious and documentable fall of the USA economically and in standard of living. It is not hate to point out the arrogance that the USA, on its own and on behalf of Israel (our undeclared 51st state), in that we tell everyone what to do and by gosh, if they do not do it, we set up false flag operations, bombing churches, schools,etc to get the results we want (for our corporations too). Obviously, you do not really have your eyes open and certainly, do not live in the South, where people actually worhsip, nearly, the military and relish talking about bombing and turning people/nations into glass!.
Ever see pictures of chidlren after a nuke affects them? or phospherous weapons?…something to cheer about? Bear in mind, most do this from the sfaty of their living rooms, 50-100 lbs over weight and never serving even-fine for your kid to go die for the NWO, or lose a limb, eyes or their minds. After Vietnam, plenty of people thrown like garbage out on the streets as the VA either did not have resources to help them or did not want to report them in the stats…..I had to deal with a few as a cop…..
No, many of us do not want to play “pretend” or wear rose colored glasses any longer (now, one almsot has to wear blackened). We do not like Patriot Act I and II, and all the other garbage that has been passed since. Not really wanting to be brutalized while a gang of TSA thugs gang rape my wife.
Yup, give it time and USA will happen.
So, please, stay in hawaii under the protection of Uncle (TSA-molesting) Sam….for me, want to get the hell out now…..
Thinking of looking into a neocon directed site, where flag wavers can get rid of me by donating…naw, they are too cheap and too busy reciting jingos and flag waving during their 2 minutes of hate……the real haters, BTW, are neocons and the 98% of AMericans stooging to them…give or take a %[/quote]
Camby, since I don’t know you I’m trying to reserve judgement on you personally, however you are making it very hard to stay silent with your racist comments about people in the South, I was born and raised in the South and I resent your remarks. For someone who professes to be a follower of Christ you sure seem to harbor a great deal of hate. I also see you tend to post a comment on any post made here which you may or may not know anything about. You said earlier that your brain works faster than you can type. Really? I wish you PEACE and happiness.[/quote]
how is attacking southern attitudes “racist”? I am white, and siad nothing “racist” about whites. Nor did I say one word about black people…..ignorant people thrown around words like “racist” and “antisemite”,etc to shut down the discussion, make themselves look smart/big and try, failing, to humiliate others…..
I hate no one on account of race, skin tone, origin,etc,etc,etc……if you lived in this increasingly fascist society of couch-war mongers and cheerleaders for violence, you would find it disconcerting, esp when one leaves and spends any appreciable time away from the USA and then, returns…Mike Rogers used to write about this feeling at Lew Rockwell….how bizarre the USA is to the rest of the world. I used to be a SOuthern Nationalist-meaning a free southtern Republic for all, white, black, Hispanic,etc.then I realized how co-opted most Southerners are to the hyper-Lincolnesque war/corporate mentality and realize, aint going to happen, ever…..also, a rather drab and culture-less society, USA in general, is….So please, do not put words in my mouth nor go jesting at windmills for some “hidden” racist meanings to my words, for again, nothing said about hating any racial (hence “racist”) group. I made no stereotypical comments about any race (white, black, asian) whatsoever…..I was commenting on attitudes and behaviors of the USA in general and in particualr, my war mongering area of the nation, commenting on region. Last I checked, talking about Southerners, or New England Yankees,etc was not “racist” as their is no such thing as a “southern race” that I am aware of. For Record, lives in south 25 yrs, married a woman that could, if she wanted to, claim daughters of Confederacy.Neither of us have ever treated anyone “racist” if you mean the common use of viewing of other races as inferior and hence, treating them that way. As one with German heritage, german is thnic, not a “race”…..
Being angry is NOT hate, seeing the destruction of ones home and that if others is righteous anger over said nations policies…Christ himself was angry at times, read Pslams.
So, to shut down the discussion, makes ones self feel superior, while at the same time, trying to look wounded and libertarian, one throws around words like “hate” and “racist”, etc…..
and yes, my IQ at the height of Hypoxia I suffered a few yrs ago, was still around 118, plus I am used to writing a lot of political columns in the past, my brain does in fact work faster then my poor typing skills.your last comment seemed snarky and..:D hateful to my intelligence….:lol:
that said, come back and live in south, where your neighbor is obese, where your preacher and congregants cheer war, then wonder why “they” are not converted and do nothing about fascism creeping into our every day lives and the propaganda out there….easy when one is living in paradise to forget how bad it is here…..Peace and happiness, sure……that does come from Christ……and hopefully some day, a change of scenery, somewhere more steeped, however imperfect, in a Catholic society (whether CR or Ecuador,etc)…..peace out, intelligence hater :lol::lol:
[quote=”Scott”]Would love to hear our VIP Member opinions on the recent letter I received from a retired U.S. citizen now very happily living in Costa Rica…
[ https://www.welovecostarica.com/members/main.cfm ][/quote]
are Gringos now considered a race? 😉
[quote=”Scott”][quote=”Johnzane”]For a company called WeLoveCostaRica, you sure spread hate. What else do you mean by publishing this obvious attack on white Americans? In Hawaii, we call them f**king Haoles. But do you see this epithet published in trade publications and websites like this? Of course not. Hawaiians are not about to bite the hands that feed them, and dealing with a few annoying tourists is not going to change that. Paradise is not without it’s snakes, but I’d rather not read about them. Please stop running anymore of these hit pieces, they do nothing to build loyalty to your brand, much less Costa Rica.[/quote]
1. Thanks for your feedback Johnzane about a letter written by a U.S. citizen happily living in a rural area of Costa Rica – far away from tourists – with his Russian wife…
2. Would love to understand how you think this letter is spreading hate? Because the writer and I – and many others – all agreed that it was educational and would help people.
3. Would also love to understand how your twisted mind works and how it is an “obvious attack on white Americans”?
4. This is not Hawaii and the published letter is not referring to “a few annoying tourists”, he’s referring to people who live here.
5. I don’t give a damn what’s published in “trade publications” and if you don’t like what is written here please feel free to unsubscribe because I will publish more articles about snakes.
6. There is no company called WeLoveCostaRica, it’s a website.
Happy New Year!
Scott[/quote]
some make a life out of sniffing for any signs of bigotry, however faint or in many cases, non-existant……but hey, guess I am now a labelled “racist hater” because I hate seeing my nation become a bloated, fascist thug and most going along with it, more interested in TV and propaganda news…..sports, etc…
Yada,Yada,Yada [b]Camby[/b]
You should know what happens when you ASSume anything. I do not yet live in CR and I still reside in South Carolina. When you make a blanket statement about Southerners you should MAN UP and be able to take some heat from those you accuse of preaching hate and turning any country into glass. You only make yourself look silly. So next time you want to spew garbage maybe you could tap into that brain of yours before typing away and making such idiotic statements. After all you are a “man of Christ”. If so I ask you WWJD? Hope you find some peace in life. Go ahead and have the last word. Matters not to me.
[quote=”maravilla”]in all fairness, spending four weeks in Los suenos is not the same as living in Costa Rica. it would be hard to have any negative opinions about this place from that perspective. Most of the ticos i know could not afford to spend even one night there, much less 4 weeks. you could not possibly have any grasp of what living here is like staying in a luxury resort. and that is part of the problem of people who come, have a wonderful experience in the lap of luxury, and then think they can function in this dysfunctional society. i can guarantee you that daily life in this country does not even begin to resemble life in Los Suenos! but they come anyway, based on some unrelatistic expectation only to discover that it is NOT Disneyland; it is hardcore Latin culture filled with all kinds of prejudices, quirks of human nature, rituals, and patterns, none of which you will ever see in a resort area. so before you make a move, you should probably consider living in several areas, deal with daily life of trying to navigate the healthcare system, the banking system, the utility company, and on and on and on.[/quote]
Good thoughts, I know of people that went to Mexico and saw only fancy resorts and pristine beaches, but never really saw what ordinary Mexicans live like, good and bad….nor cultural norms,etc. Friend of mine went to San Jose a few yrs ago and noted there was a lot of poverty and bad areas, despite the nation being by and large, well run and clean, prosperous compared to many other Latin nations……
I like Sanibel Island, yet could not afford to live there, cheapest tiny condo sold for $160K….most that work there do not live there and only travel for work..even many owners of smal shops cannot live there, commute from Ft. Myers and nearby areas…..[quote=”clewis”]Yada,Yada,Yada [b]Camby[/b]
You should know what happens when you ASSume anything. I do not yet live in CR and I still reside in South Carolina. When you make a blanket statement about Southerners you should MAN UP and be able to take some heat from those you accuse of preaching hate and turning any country into glass. You only make yourself look silly. So next time you want to spew garbage maybe you could tap into that brain of yours before typing away and making such idiotic statements. After all you are a “man of Christ”. If so I ask you WWJD? Hope you find some peace in life. Go ahead and have the last word. Matters not to me.[/quote]
again, you show not what hate I “spew” at all…and did not address what specific race I offended nor stereotyped..
as far as “garbage”, it was not me that passed the Patriot Act, Military Commisions ACt,etc and Etc over the last 10+ yrs. IT is not me that prop for a aggressive foreign policy….
Man up I am, that is why I tried to affect change by running a state Third Party for 4 yrs, spoke out in news and on state capitol,etc. That is why I pray, daily, for the USA, that it stops its road, as did Rome, to destruction.
That is why I “maned up” and went through 6+ months of police academy yrs ago and served my country as a police officer for 4 1/2 yrs, part of that as a crime scene investigator-a target on my back every time I went out in public. I had to deal with the dead ,the wounded living, abused kids, raped women, etc….yup, real “un-manly” there sport…
I did not take an oath to this Neocon govt nor its cheerleaders…..
So you are in SC? great for you….do you like the censorship, the laws now in USA that say that anyone can be abducted, tortured in some foreign nation, stripped automatically of citizenship? or just taken out, ala”24″ style?
Your anger at me seems that you do and it is silly and calumny to accuse others of racism and bigotry….
wake up my friend and see what is going on around you, yes it can happen to you, as Pastor Neimoller noted so well….
If you are blind to what is going on in the USA, then please, stay here and wake up, do something……for me? I am tapped out. I have some emergency rations, guns, ammo-but would prefer to quietly slip out and start over, as my ancestors did coming to the USA to begin with
well, most of them, my great-grandmother was Iroquis…hence, a small part of me is asiatic…
again, no proof other then venting that I am a racist, bigoted, a “phobe” of some sort, nothing really………
I am mad about what has happened, going on now and will continue-that is then, bad? should I get all apathetic and sit on the couch, stuff myself full of MSG laden food, get fat again and say why bother that people are being bombed, rape, subjugated for American “super-powerism” and the mentality that USA has all the answers? and that, darn it all, we will force everyone else to think, act, look,dress,etc like us?
I look, after Christ and His Church, to true patriots like Wendell Berry, etc..for some clarity….
Not sure your snarky “man of CHrist” comments at all, I do know that American militarism on behalf of globalism and rising antichrist world system is not Godly nor just….
again, not sure of snarky comments, I am by far not perfect, but can read the Psalms alone to see we not put our trust/hope in princes…….or Empires…..
[quote=”AUKEA”]my husband and I just returned from a Costa Rica vacation.
When we arrived before 2 p.m. at our hotel, we were informed
that our room was not ready yet. We could see the stress on
the maid’s face -was she afraid of being fired?-.
I said that we were very early, and that we’d love to have lunch anyway, and please, don’t rush..we are not in any hurry.
We both smiled at the lady.You should have seen her face:
it beamed! While we were having lunch, the manager found us and directed us to a much nicer room. We were sure to thank
her and show her our appreciation.
We are so aware that we are outsiders, and go to great lenghts
to be good ambassadors of Canada, were we live.[/quote]well put, me too-wife and I joked that while in Europe this last fall, if any problems, we would tell them we were Canadians-no one hates you all and most Canadians friendly folk. That said, we all when visiting foreign nations, even me to Canada, need to be good ambassadors…sometimes, I feel Americans more, as more and more, we are none to popular for reasons I have noted already…maybe a tee shirt that says “American, but sane”:lol:
Glad to hear you seemed to have good time, I look forward to coming to CR soon, I hope…..[quote=”Disabled Veteran”]The article was right on point. Anyone that has been to Costa Rica more than two days, knows that everyone is a Gringo. I am of color, and you would not know I am not a Tico; until I speak Spanish, I am also a Gringo. I enjoy the people and culture of Costa Rica, the good and the bad. From my 13 years of experiences in Costa Rica, I have found that being of color has some advantages in Costa Rica, both interpersonal with Ticos/Ticas and on a business level. Living in Costa Rica entails real-life expectations,planning properly, educating oneself, and leaving your negative personal baggage and impatience; in your home country.[/quote]
Do you feel that you are more accepted for being “of color” to use your term? I am told and have noticed, that issues in Latin nations as to “who is black” or “white” is a lot less stringent then in the states….too be sure, there is social stratification no doubt or elements still of colonialism,maybe…but more blending then in the states, wehre race issues still much more hotbed…..I recall reading article on that, that-united in religion and Spanish culture (or Portugese in Brazil), the people were brought to gether much more then the dvide here…..is that your feeling/experience?
Do you feel you blend in more?
Have a very “white” looking friend that at the age of 6 months old, was smuggled w/parents out of Cuba in 1961. He told me, too, the Cubans in Cuba and elsewhere are not that hyped up on race……was surprised when he moved to S. Florida and esp, Conneticut…how an issue it was….
[quote=”AUKEA”]my husband and I just returned from a Costa Rica vacation.
When we arrived before 2 p.m. at our hotel, we were informed
that our room was not ready yet. We could see the stress on
the maid’s face -was she afraid of being fired?-.
I said that we were very early, and that we’d love to have lunch anyway, and please, don’t rush..we are not in any hurry.
We both smiled at the lady.You should have seen her face:
it beamed! While we were having lunch, the manager found us and directed us to a much nicer room. We were sure to thank
her and show her our appreciation.
We are so aware that we are outsiders, and go to great lenghts
to be good ambassadors of Canada, were we live.[/quote]My neice and spouse going in 2 months to Banff for wedding, from the pics, would love to go myself…
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