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I for one welcome your feedback; the fact that you have followed up and provided the info for others to read and learn from is a breath of fresh air…
Can you please tell us all what kind of infrastructure has been completed and which land you are discussing because they have more than a dozen places where they promote land now no?
Doesn’t it seem unusual that these companies keep selling out developments and not a single one has even completed their basic infrstructure? Not one of these companies has completed a project.
Another well informed comment!!
Which developments are you referring to?
Please give some examples of incomplete infrastructure….I have one for you…..WhiteWater…ask Bill and Hilary about their development credentials!!!Standards are dropping everywhere in the world…behaviour, dress, the spoken (and written) word, and now with the internet we have the quality of information to add to the list!!
One would have thought simondg that any developer would be proud to make it CRYSTAL CLEAR in their marketing – and they obviously spend MILLIONS OF DOLLARS on marketing – which project was finished and which project had all the infrastucture in place?
Have they?
No they have not.
Why not?
And for once, why don’t you stop jumping all over anybody that posts legitimate concerns about Paragon and show us the infrastructure? You defend Paragon more than the Chairman of the company so you are obviously working for them at some level.
I am going to ask Scott Oliver if he would be willing to post photographs of the Paragon infastructure on this site and we’ll see what he says.
Finally, a good idea – I agree bradbard,(sorry to copy the idea of using the name of the person posting but since you and Scott are doing it I would hate to miss out on what is either a trend or something that one is supposed to do – God forbid that I would be unfashionable!) why don’t you get Scott to do that.
Regarding web site content, correct me if I am wrong but Mapache Group have an extensive site detailing the progress of many of the numerous projects; this is of course of little help to those who have invested in the ones without permits!
I find it a little odd that you are so angry at someone who wants to find out the facts; I need them to form an opinion, you apparently do not. Do you possess some special skill that the rest of us lack?
As regards your statement that I am working for Paragon you have clearly missed the point. I refuse to go along with the lynch mob, but having said this, without the herd mentality how else is a contrarian to make any money? For without them how would Wall St have fleeced their client’s with dotcoms back in 2000?! I suggest you consider removing this part of your post… (where are the moderators when you need them?!)
Suggested reading; Popular delusions and the madness of crowds
and finally…regarding “legitimate concerns”; these were expressed over White Water (1980’s real estate sc…scheme, I mean! operated by the Clintons where investors lost everything) and yet Bill was elected and his wife is about to follow in his footsteps. I wonder how many people going along with the comments about certain developers have voted and will vote again for the Clintons? Ahh…the contradictions of life!!
For the record I have no particular political affliation and believe that as in all things in life the 80/20 rule applies…80% of them are useless parasites.
I am a libertarian; the less the government intefere’s in our lives the more wealthy we will all be.
And that’s the game!!
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I am a moderator and I am watching every post.
Just as a matter of interest, why on earth are you ranting on about Bill Clinton and Mapache when this post is about Paragon Properties?
Scott
Your right scott I am a paragon client and all that I’m trying to do is keep them in line with what they said they would do nothing more if they are out of line I believe in justice and justice will prevail at this point through my investigations where they have made mistakes with their clients they have corrected some developers just need to be under scrutiny i’m not a hundred percent sure that paragon does but they are.
Frank R. Scales
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Based on my count, from this developers website, they have 15 developments that either have been sold or are in the process of being sold. Not one of the developments has been completed and there appears not to be any that are near completion. It makes me wonder.
And you have every right to feel that way ‘Scalesfr’ and to do what you are doing. In defence of Paragon Properties, they typically move very quickly after their customers become more ‘vocal’ about any perceived problems.
I’m sure Paragon has tens of thousands of customers so it can’t be easy keeping a track of everything but, any sales organization should also have systems in place to ensure that their customers are happy.
Thankfully as more competition enters, the free market tends to quickly develop ‘checks’ and ‘balances’ and companies that pay attention to what’s going on are the ones that tend to get better reports from their customers.
Scott Oliver – Founder
WeLoveCostaRica.comMore speculation..”appears not be any near completion”. Rather than speculate about things that it would appear no one really knows the answers to, I suggest that we go with what we know.
What do we know? Answers please..don’t all rush at once…
..and when you say completed, exactly what do you mean? The project is not yet fully sold and therefore they haven’t completed the Master Plan? or do you mean that the project is fully sold and they are behind on infrastructure? We can all throw mud but let’s be sure of why we are throwing it…
Simondg, could you please summarize the legal findings of Ken Starr and his large staff of investigators and prosecutors as regards the Clintons and Whitewater? It is my recollection (obviously incomplete) that after several years and many millions of dollars spent, no smoking gun was found, no finger could be pointed.
Just what is it you know that Starr et al do not?
Paragon has been slow to build out there projects period…There is no “master plan” they are selling lots and you build a house when ready, they will hold the land interest free for 5 years as well. They have agreed to build roads, a gate and bring electric and water to your lot. It does not take a brain surgeon to figure out there priority is selling lots, taking deposits and expanding operations. One would think that you would want to finish your first project i.e. roads, gate, water and electric. Wellington has a similar type project called Columbus Heights, once they started on the infrastructure it took approx. 7 months to FINISH roads(with pavers), gate and plantings, fountain etc.., electric and water to each lot. I spoke with there contractor and as part of the contract there was a time table he had to adhere to or be penalized…he came in pretty close to the 6 month deadline. As a purchaser I was e mailed monthly updates of construction as well it was posted on there site. I first visited the “Gables” in Parrita over three years ago and to date according to there web site roads are still dirt and it appears there is not a lot “done”. I don’t mind speculating a “little” bit here….
Ken who???
davidmurray – (I knew I was right about this mentioning the poster’s username – it clearly is a trend now!) Now onto ken Starr; where to start? Well, as most of the readers know he investigated Billy boy for his intern-al affairs in the oral office and not his adventures into real estate development, which by the way, someone (one of his good friends) went to jail for rather than tell what he knew…ahh politicians don’t you love em?
I have to ask, it sounds like you vote for his party, am I right?…not that it matters to me it’s just that somehow they manage to fool most of the people most of the time. Also let’s not forget the Presidential pardon he gave to another convicted criminal friend of his on his last day in office to get him released from jail..only in America folks!! Yet today he struts around the world stage as if he has something to offer the people of the world. Perhaps he does, and if he does I suggest it would be a message that if you have the right friends you can get away with anything.
As regards the Starr report I cannot say much about it since really it didn’t bother me then and it doesn’t now either. I mean, he had a fling with his secretary; if we were to apply the same standard to every executive in this country they would all be under investigation! (for those who don’t know they have motels here that are not (generally speaking) used by business travellers overnight!! No, the prime time for these establishments is lunchtime – if I told you the rooms are booked by the hour you probably get the picture!
Oh, there is one thing I recall, he (Clinton) ordered a bombing raid onto some terrorist bomb making plant in Syria or some such place right around the time when the Starr report was being released. He must have been using the same intelligence reports as George Bush since it turned out that it the factory belonged not to a terrorist but a regular family having a wedding at the location that day. The family was massacred but hell, it distracted the papers for a few days and he probably sent a Presidential pardon to the surviving members of the family forgiving them for tricking his staff into thinking they were terrorists when they weren’t!!
Thanks for sharing though davidmurray (not sure if I’m following etiquette in using the poster’s name at the end as well) – perhaps someone from the “forum” etiquette police could advise.
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