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[quote=”waggoner41″][quote=”sprite”]The only freedoms I or anyone else has are those that can’t be taken away by force. I can’t think of any freedoms anyone has right now which can be guaranteed. It will be interesting to see if the 2nd amendment can be cancelled.[/quote]
Sprite, You evade the question. Name the freedoms you have lost.
You certainly have not lost the freedom to move to Costa Rica if you can afford to do so.[/quote]
waggoneer
since you asked how about these 10 just for starters
Assassination of U.S. citizens
Arbitrary justice
Warrantless searches
Secret evidence
War crimes
Secret court
Immunity from judicial review
Continual monitoring of citizens
Extraordinary renditions
I can dig up many more if you like
[quote=”davidd”] what is freedom really and can we ever be truly free??? if you ask people of the United states they would regurgitate some sound bite david[/quote]
The fact is that if we are to live in a society we can never truly be free. There are rules and regulations and laws that have been set up over time through experience to keep us from each others throats.
The only way you can truly be free to do anything you want to do is to live away from everyone else so that you offend no one.
[quote=”davidd”][quote=”waggoner41″][quote=”sprite”]The only freedoms I or anyone else has are those that can’t be taken away by force. I can’t think of any freedoms anyone has right now which can be guaranteed. It will be interesting to see if the 2nd amendment can be cancelled.[/quote]
Sprite, You evade the question. Name the freedoms you have lost.
You certainly have not lost the freedom to move to Costa Rica if you can afford to do so.[/quote]
waggoneer
since you asked how about these 10 just for starters
Assassination of U.S. citizens, Arbitrary justice, warrantless searches, Secret evidence, War crimes, Secret court, Immunity from judicial review, Continual monitoring of citizens, Extraordinary renditions
I can dig up many more if you like[/quote]
Unless you are doing things that you ought not to be doing I think you have little to fear of these new laws. If you do fear tham then I must assume that you intend harm to citizens of the nation.
You had better keep digging to find [b]valid[/b] freedoms that you have lost.
[quote=”waggoner41″][quote=”davidd”][quote=”waggoner41″][quote=”sprite”]The only freedoms I or anyone else has are those that can’t be taken away by force. I can’t think of any freedoms anyone has right now which can be guaranteed. It will be interesting to see if the 2nd amendment can be cancelled.[/quote]
Sprite, You evade the question. Name the freedoms you have lost.
You certainly have not lost the freedom to move to Costa Rica if you can afford to do so.[/quote]
waggoneer
since you asked how about these 10 just for starters
Assassination of U.S. citizens, Arbitrary justice, warrantless searches, Secret evidence, War crimes, Secret court, Immunity from judicial review, Continual monitoring of citizens, Extraordinary renditions
I can dig up many more if you like[/quote]
Unless you are doing things that you ought not to be doing I think you have little to fear of these new laws. If you do fear tham then I must assume that you intend harm to citizens of the nation.
You had better keep digging to find [b]valid[/b] freedoms that you have lost.[/quote]
waggoner
I understand now.
I guess you stated your position and fall under the categories of “if your not doing anything wrong..then you have nothing to worry about”
your remind me and this is no way meant to offend but a typical government W-2 worker that had worked all his life for a company and had gotten a paycheck every 2 weeks.
waiting for his pension and SS.. which is OK.. but not really rooted in what is going on here.
so basically you give the government and the incompetent idiots the right to do basically anything they want in the form of security
and for your own protection. 😀
when one day you will wake up to the reality where government will doing things like;
limiting your movement both nationally or internationally.
having tiny rfd chips with your health files implanted on your body
allowing you to keep less and less of your money
and on and on and on and on.
[quote=”davidd”][quote=”waggoner41″][quote=”davidd”][quote=”waggoner41″][quote=”sprite”]The only freedoms I or anyone else has are those that can’t be taken away by force. I can’t think of any freedoms anyone has right now which can be guaranteed. It will be interesting to see if the 2nd amendment can be cancelled.[/quote]
Sprite, You evade the question. Name the freedoms you have lost.
You certainly have not lost the freedom to move to Costa Rica if you can afford to do so.[/quote]
waggoneer
since you asked how about these 10 just for starters
Assassination of U.S. citizens, Arbitrary justice, warrantless searches, Secret evidence, War crimes, Secret court, Immunity from judicial review, Continual monitoring of citizens, Extraordinary renditions
I can dig up many more if you like[/quote]
Unless you are doing things that you ought not to be doing I think you have little to fear of these new laws. If you do fear tham then I must assume that you intend harm to citizens of the nation.
You had better keep digging to find [b]valid[/b] freedoms that you have lost.[/quote]
waggoner
I understand now.
I guess you stated your position and fall under the categories of “if your not doing anything wrong..then you have nothing to worry about”
your remind me and this is no way meant to offend but a typical government W-2 worker that had worked all his life for a company and had gotten a paycheck every 2 weeks.
waiting for his pension and SS.. which is OK.. but not really rooted in what is going on here.
so basically you give the government and the incompetent idiots the right to do basically anything they want in the form of security
and for your own protection. 😀
when one day you will wake up to the reality where government will doing things like;
limiting your movement both nationally or internationally.
having tiny rfd chips with your health files implanted on your body
allowing you to keep less and less of your money
and on and on and on and on.
http://chuckbaldwinlive.com/home/archives/4040
[/quote]PS. I am going to write a post over the weekedn dedicated to Waggoneer outlining freedoms we have lost as a nation.
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