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Can someone explain why the Costa Rican government is not in support of Honduras enforcing its constitution.
Here’s the big picture. I’ll keep it as simple as possible and I’m sure other folks will provide input as to my views. It should at least make for an interesting conversation.
The folks in Honduras took the steps to make sure that their county doesn’t fall victim to what Hugo has pulled in Venezuela… the president of Honduras was using the Chavez playbook to become the “democratically” elected president for life by attempting to change the constitution in direct violation of it’s terms and against the advice of the courts, elected government officials and the military. Hugo pulled the same thing… and by the time the people knew what was going on… it was too late. Remember Hitler was elected by the people and played the same game.
As for Oscar and all the other Bozo’s jumping to the defense of the deposed president… that’s a bit more difficult, each has a reason… but not necessarily the same… there are leaders such as Hugo and few others that are supporting the president… because they’re cut from the same cloth and want to see Central and South America become somewhat less than free. They’re supporting this president because not to do so would fly in the face of what they’ve done… or are in the process of doing in their own countries.
As for Oscar… he’s a peacemaker… he doesn’t want to make waves so he’s supporting the deposed president… the guy was elected by the people after all, just like Hitler was! And remember Oscar had to get a supreme court ruling and interpretation of the CR constitution to run again. Lucky for us he doesn’t have more motivation, an army, or a largely uneducated population that would buy into the moves made by Hugo, or he might have tried to follow in his footsteps. Oscar has also become more and more reliant on handouts and favors from folks like Hugo. He’s the same guy that dumped Taiwan for China in spite of their human rights record.
Then there’s the rest of the “leaders” out there as well as the UN… their angle is keeping the peace… none of them want this type of power exchange to become the norm… it is a threat to their very existence!
Edited on Jun 30, 2009 13:54
Very well said.
“…and by the time the people knew what was going on…it was too late.”
Sounds like what is going on in the US. LOL
Glad you got my point… as for the US… it’s been “too late” for a long time! The debt racked up in the last 6 months will be the final straw that breaks the camels back and brings this house of cards down! And what are the politicians talking about… universal health care that will add another 9 zeros on Uncle Sam’s debt!
Much like the average American… when things get tough… you go shopping! And we all know how that’s worked out!
While I don’t have a clue as to the real machinations going on, I do know where you two have your radio tuned to in the morning. On one hand, good thing ol’ Oscar doesn’t have an army, yet good thing Honduras has “dutiful” generals and an army. You bet, that army usurpation (sorry, but that’s what it is) is for the common folk and the good ol’ Honduran constitution.
Weighing in already, are we, ye masters of perspective?Here, here Kimball! I look forward to see what the “regret factor” will be by the end of the year in the US as we become more and more socialist so that we are all “middle class” based on the governments definitions of the same. In my 45 short years on this planet, I have never seen such a revered executive who has really acomplshed nothing of substance, nor has he ever had a “real” career other than politics. Snow job of the century and we all get to pay for it dearly. Get out while you can.
But didn’t you love the dress and matching shoes Michelle was wearing on their big date night in NYC? LOL
Funny how people are in love with this guy… perhaps when the bill comes due they’ll feel differently! But then again… he’s got everyone fooled that has a moment to come up for air! Folks are in for a BIG wake up!
“Snow Job”…. I think not… it’s a damn BLIZZARD… and the roads to safety are under 12 feet the white stuff already. If you haven’t gotten out by now… sad to say it’s most likely too late!
Edited on Jun 30, 2009 19:47
Hmmm, personal attack on a woman. Surprised real men would notice such details. But then again, they wouldn’t.
As a wise man once noted “When the going gets tough, this thread heads for the hills.”
Folks, these guys would try to convince you they are patriots. Hey, they might even be your neighbors, the kind you need in tough times.
Mister “I’ll give you the big picture” segues into personal attack on a woman’s wardrobe. Pitiful.Put down the hammer… Perhaps you missed my point… no dis or attack on Michelle… the point I was making is that at a time when REAL problems face the US and actions are being taken that will impact generations to come… the media is more interested in covering in detail the first lady’s wardrobe and the details of a night out on the town! A pretty sad reality. Do you think the media was so interested in what Eleanor Roosevelt was sporting while FDR was working his way through World War II? Did you somehow miss that? Did I somehow attack the dress or shoes she was wearing? Do you get it NOW? Do you under stand what LOL means?
Perhaps you might want to re-read my post I’ll try not to take offense at your personal attack… perhaps I’m not the one that’s so pitiful….
Edited on Jun 30, 2009 20:05
Then why don’t I laugh out loud?
imx, you make significant and helpful contributions to this site. I thank you for that.
However, if you think ANYONE does not “get your point”, even us ignorant average Americans can rise to the occasion. lol.
Hitler? Eleanor? WWII? FDR?
Central American tin pot armies?
Vested interests?
By the way, in the “real” American, Put the hammer down has a different meaning than you might have wanted. lol
I’m starting to like this “lol” stuff. Maybe I can graduate to LOL. lol.Take it slowly edlreed…. going from lol to LOL can be a very trying experience! Take your time and work your way into it slowly! LOL (Whoops their I go again!)
No dis intended nor do I look at anyone here as “ignorant average Americans”… your very presence on this board proves that not to be the case!
I guess you’re a Smokey and the Bandit fan too… as I also understand the alternate meaning of putting the hammer down!
Thank you for cooling your roll. I DO appreciate a sense of humor, and the knowledge you share on this site.
I just think that intelligence can be used in many ways, and I’m one for letting these people figure things out for themselves. When I read comments such as on this thread, I take a wild guess at the number of helicopters and arms being immediately supplied to these paragons of constitutional law…and where its coming from. Are you three accepting any responsibility, in your point of view, for the results? Of course not.
At least, imx, what would an “educated” guess lead you to? What’s gonna happen in a Central American country where the Army has taken power? Wow, I wish there was some history to draw on. Of course, i can be cavalier about it. I have no Chiquita stock.
Also, the assignation of this country’s woes to a man in office for 5 months shows nothing but bias. I hear no “answers” in regard to the “big picture”.
Can I get an Amen to the fat cats raping looting and stealing? Who cares what party they are from.Oh, btw (means “by the way”), since you’re my new best old friend, I come from the same town as the Wallace brothers and Kenny Shroeder is from the next town over. RedNeck, our grandaddies were moonshiners. We didn’t call them Feds, they were Revenooers. Maybe we ought to resurrect that title, seems like nobody cared when a couple of them went up into the hills…and alas, must have fallen in some hole.
I repeat. NOBODY cared. The rules were understood by all.
You know, imx, the REAL days of lickedy split.Edlreed…I think there’s a couple of issues here that need to be cleared up or discussed about this situation in Honduras. I’ll throw them out as my read on things… and we can take it from there.
First off… while folks like to say it was a military coup it really wasn’t in the true sense. It’s not a military man running the show now… it’s a 27 year career politician that was sworn in to fill the president’s position until elections are held. He’s also been the president of the legislative assembly for the past 3 1/2 years. And these actions were taken with the approval of 124 of the 128 members of the national assembly. That says a lot! This wasn’t some rouge military type seizing power… so for the folks out there that try to make it such… perhaps they should take a step back and look again. Trying to paint it as such tells you something about those making that point.
Second… these actions against the former president were taken after he ignored the very terms of the constitution of Honduras, the rulings of the country’s Supreme court, and the direction of an overwhelming percentage of the elected officials serving in the national assembly. He can’t claim he didn’t know he was taking steps that were in question, he just under estimated the response the other branches of government would undertake. Recent (and ongoing) history in Central and South America are much too fresh in the minds of folks there for him to have gotten away with his game. He tried an end around move like Hugo did. Seems the folks in Honduras are a bit smarter then the folks that Hugo has bulldozed in his neck of the woods. And if the leaders in Honduras are true scholars of history they’ll remember that the folks in Venezuela had a chance when they briefly removed Hugo from power… but made the mistake of letting him return! And it went down hill from there. So now the people of Venezuela have a former military commander that’s the defacto president for life in their “Constitutional Democracy”. A man that looks at Cuba as a model for him to copy… WOW! I guess when Hugo gets too old to rule he’ll hand off power to his brother… some constitution they must have! Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!
There are checks and balances that a constitutional democracy has in place to make sure that one branch of government doesn’t take over. The military has the mission of keeping the country safe from threats both foreign and domestic and upholding the constitution. When one branch of the government tries to undermine the constitution the other branches have a responsibility to act. And that appears to be what happened in Honduras.
My crystal ball may not be properly tuned… but this is my best guess on how things are going so far in Honduras… and if I’m right… the former president will be arrested on his return and tried for his actions… if not… and he’s allowed to return to power… we’ll see the same drastic changes Hugo made when he returned… and it’s all downhill from there. The big difference is that Honduras doesn’t have the oil wealth to blind the people (and grease the right palms) to make this change a smooth one… Honduras will see a bloody transition like the good old days!
I do hope that Obama and the rest of the Bozos out there can see that… but then again with the way that they’re running their own ships into the rocks these days… I seriously doubt it!
Just my opinion… feel free to express yours… while you still can! LOL
Edited on Jul 01, 2009 06:25
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