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woa!! NELLY
a 16 year old doing a STUPID thing is unheard off
wrong place, wrong time and with a wrong GUARD makes a lethal combination
11:00 am and you are a guard and you think you are rushed by 3 NINJAS
never heard the “stop, who is there” fron the guard
also, never heard the boy’s say anything to approach the guard
stupid guarantes a stupid outcome and you will have to live with it, in this case the guard is alive and paying for his actions
sad story but in a real world scenario
[quote=”rxmurphy”]I’ve often used the quote from John Wayne (I think?) -“Life is tough. It’s even tougher if you’re stupid.”[/quote]
No. That was from a movie called “the Friends of Eddie Coyle”
[quote=”aguirrewar”]woa!! NELLY
a 16 year old doing a STUPID thing is unheard off
wrong place, wrong time and with a wrong GUARD makes a lethal combination
11:00 am and you are a guard and you think you are rushed by 3 NINJAS
never heard the “stop, who is there” fron the guard
also, never heard the boy’s say anything to approach the guard
stupid guarantes a stupid outcome and you will have to live with it, in this case the guard is alive and paying for his actions
sad story but in a real world scenario[/quote]
How do you know the guard never warned them? He would most likely say he did and the two boys who are alive would most likely say he didn’t but the only ones who truly know are those three. Did the guard tell authorities he never warned them or are you going on the word of the two living teenagers?
This info is all over El Nuevo Dia, La Nacion, The Tico times
the last I did read is that the guard DID NOT have a permit for the gun
the 11:00 PM or 10 PM was the curfew hour
both surviving boy’s an the guard stated that the guard did indeed shoot a WARNING round first
as I read more and more about this issue the more questins I have;
what is a guard doing with a weapon that is not registered, and without a permit to carry
what kind of hotel hires a guard that knows there are over 40 kid’s staying in their premises and expects them to behave like an AARP crowd
and whatever happens this guy is not getting any sympathy from the Costa Rican either from the blogs I have read in spanish coming from Costa Rica an telephone conversations with family/friends
by last account the US Embassy is going to La Fortuna to investigate which only means; “THE HAMMER” is coming down and hard
it has been considered that the biggest SLAP in the face to the US by CR was the Chinese Stadium
and let me remind you that tourism generates a big CHUNK of $$ to CR
a tourist was killed but it was a US tourist and a KID
the US Embassy’s take their orders from the Department of State
you have some explaining to do; LUCY, from “I love Lucy” (sorry CR)
ADD, SUBSTRACT, MULTIPLY and DIVIDE
What’s the embassy going to do? they aren’t in law enforcement, nor do they investigate crimes, or engage in victim advocacy. i guess nobody would expect a group of teenages to act like AARO members, but i bet they expected them to obey the curfew, and didn’t this happen in the wee hours of the morning, like 3 or 4 a.m.? it’s a tragic situation no matter how you look at it.
[quote=”maravilla”]What’s the embassy going to do? they aren’t in law enforcement, nor do they investigate crimes, or engage in victim advocacy.[/quote]
short answer: ask the State Dept. to issue a travel advisory for C.R.
Hmmm. Wonder how that would affect tourism.
It IS a tragedy all around. Two grieving families [the victim’s and the shooter’s]; and given the wide distribution of the story in the U.S., the whole country suffers -travel advisory or not. I suspect European travel agencies have noticed as well.right on the money P:
even and even IF the US Embassy decides to let this issue RIDE into the sunset
the damage has been done and all the press has to do is magnify with little letters that a teenager was shot DEAD in CR by MISTAKE
bet you the German, Dutch, Spain, England people are reading about this story
and as parents they are presented next week/month with a field trip to Costa Rica!!! for one of their children
want to make a pick between the odds that parents will vote yes or no
the damage control department in CR is working overtime in this issue and laying a RED carpet to the US Embassy, all the way from San Jose to La Fortuna
And what exactly should the travel advisory be? How about something like: If you are going to send your teenagers, who have a tendency to run amok in the middle of the night and refuse to obey the curfew,be warned that guards have guns and your teenager may get shot because the guard thought they were thieves!
these stories take on a life of their own. people make bad choices all the time when they are left to their own devices. look at Natalie Holloway. Gets mixed up with a psychopath for a night of drinking and drugging and winds up missing, never to be found. and now the guy she picked to run amok with is in prison for murdering some other young woman. good choice. then there was some other incident here a while back — 7 or 8 years, i think — where some young girl was killed and the travel advisories were warning of murderers on the loose, but hidden in the real story was the fact that this girl was copping drugs in a bad part of town. so what’s that warning? if you’re going to score dope in a foreign country, know your dealer??? all the travel advisories will not protect you from your own bad decision-making process. don’t get me wrong. i feel terrible about this latest incident, but some responsibility has to lay at the feet of the victim for doing what he wasn’t supposed to be doing and thumbing his nose at the rules that were made to keep him safe.
are you serious??
“some responsibility has to lay at the feet of the victim for doing what he wasn’t supposed to be doing and thumbing his nose at the rules that were made to keep him safe.”
responsability on the victim (16 year old teen)
obvious you had no testosteron problem when you were 16
your analisys of a teen, “mixed up with a psychopath for a night of drinking and drugging and winds up missing”
just misses the point since this is not what happened or even CLOSE to what really happened
let me explain;
“SHOT DEAD by an incompetent guard with no permit and unregistered gun”
is the same as;
“SHOT DEAD by a guard with a permit and registered gun”
that boy is dead; all the same and just because he violated a curfew
well I better go to bed now and follow instructions if I want to wake up alive next day
clueless in CR comes to mind when I read your post
how am I clueless? and no, i didn’t have testosterone when i was 16 or any other age, thank diosa. and if the guard had a legal weapon, then what? would this be more or less a tragedy? the kid is still dead, and the guard is still the one who killed him.
I agree with [b]maravillas[/b] quote “And what exactly should the travel advisory be? How about something like: If you are going to send your teenagers, who have a tendency to run amok in the middle of the night and refuse to obey the curfew,be warned that guards have guns and your teenager may get shot because the guard thought they were thieves!”
And if someone had broken in, and robbed or worse, a teenager, would the guard be responsible for not trying to stop them?
I don’t really believe that the lodge owner [i]did not know[/i] the guard was armed.and I have the opposite reaction to your post
1. like: If you are going to send your teenagers, who have a tendency to run amok in the middle of the night and refuse to obey the curfew
WHO and WHAT makes you think this kid is what you describe
your scale moves all they way to say the guard was correct in his actions based on your pesonal assumtions on the kid
ILLEGAL weapon, no permit and no training while working as a guard for this hotel and HE did not know there where 40 American kids in that hotel
against a 16 year old kid making a stupid thing against an intelligent guard doing the right thing
I agree you don’t have a slight value for a human life and hope you never become a judge (frightening thought)
but if it was your kid killed?? under the same circumstances and had to clean his room for the last time because he will never come back
you would be singing another tune or crying
Having had two teenagers who have traveled with us, plus participated in world-wide exchange programs and both involved with youth organizations that meant often attending functions away from home, complete with chaperones, I like most parents, would explain to these kids what is behavior is expected of them.
I have also been a chaperone many times, and have been required to do ‘shifts’ to make sure that the young people in my care, were indeed, chaperoned.
It is also to my understanding that when a teenager is ‘participating in an exchange or school/church trip’, they must agree in writing that they will abide to the rules or they will be ‘returned home at the parents expense’.
And yes, kids will be kids, and I am truly sorry that this happened to anyone, but the truth or answers may never be known.My parents taught me how to behave. I wouldn’t have been running around in the middle of the night (let alone in another country!) And when I was 16, I had 1 job during the school year and 2 in the summer. No time to go to Costa Rica. That might sound strict and boring to some, but I still have the same amount of holes in me as I did at 16.
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