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https://www.welovecostarica.com/public/If_Youre_In_The_USA_You_Just_Got_Robbed__Again.cfm
Scott’s article from the home page and the video really nailed it! If anyone has any counter argument to any of the points of the article, I would love to hear them. I don’t have any. And this scares me because the resulting societal and economic melt down could reach a level of absolute barbarism and chaos the likes of which have never been experienced by our species. This is big stuff!
I have been ranting for two years now about everything in the article. There are three attitudes I encounter; near total agreement (the smallest group) absolute disagreement (with no counter argument except to call me a nut job) and apathy (by far the biggest group). My guess is that by the time the apathetic catch on, it will be far too late. In fact, I am getting the definite feeling that it already IS far too late.
Bring on the “nut job” response or any other name you like. But please be so kind as to at least offer a few words of reasoned criticism as well.
You and me both! I can’t think of a Spanish equivalent for “nut jobs”…
It’s simply not possible to refute the maths… Our banksters and their political whores have dug a hole so deep that we can’t even see the top.
What is terrifying is what some politicians are suggesting would help us out of this hole…
Remember?
“Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event––like a new Pearl Harbor”
Or at this time, more likely Iran…
Scott
[quote=”sprite”]Bring on the “nut job” response or any other name you like. But please be so kind as to at least offer a few words of reasoned criticism as well.[/quote]
I wanna be the first!
You are a “nut job”. 😀
BTW sprite, aren’t you still living in the U.S.? If so, why don’t you get outta there?
[quote=”dboy”][quote=”sprite”]Bring on the “nut job” response or any other name you like. But please be so kind as to at least offer a few words of reasoned criticism as well.[/quote]
I wanna be the first!
You are a “nut job”. 😀
BTW sprite, aren’t you still living in the U.S.? If so, why don’t you get outta there?[/quote]
I am still here until my son is out of school which coincides with my social security kicking in. I do feel a sense of urgency, though.
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I am still here until my son is out of school which coincides with my social security kicking in. I do feel a sense of urgency, though.[/quote]If you believe the article and video, do you believe that Social Security (already a known unsupported ponzi scheme) is actually going to offer a meaningful difference to your life? Just saying…:wink:
[quote=”dboy”][quote=”sprite”]
I am still here until my son is out of school which coincides with my social security kicking in. I do feel a sense of urgency, though.[/quote]If you believe the article and video, do you believe that Social Security (already a known unsupported ponzi scheme) is actually going to offer a meaningful difference to your life? Just saying…:wink:[/quote]
Do you think such a question would be relevant in a world where currencies will have defaulted everywhere? Imagine the social chaos in a world where governments and infrastructures are failing on every front. Our missing social security or pension income will not even register as a blip in such an environment. Social security income is barely meaningful as it is but at least it serves as a legal guarantee for residency as long as the current system stays afloat.
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Remember?“Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event––like a new Pearl Harbor”
Or at this time, more likely Iran…
Scott[/quote]
Scott, Don’t you think that the Project for a New American Century (PNAC) which you just quoted, referred to 9/11?
Hello: I am in accord with everything that has been said in this article. In fact I have known about this since the late 2007 when the crisis initially hit. I have been railing against the War machine/Financial and corporate monsters in this country for a few years already. I want to run away, but I can’t. I am stuck in the Corporate States of America for another 4.5 years. We need to do something about this, but what? How do we organize? I realize that the “shit” is going to hit the fan pretty soon. No, the recession is not over. It is getting deeper and has turned into an economic depression since last year already. I don’t know why Obama is not hip to this. He is not a stupid man, at least not as stupid as his precedessor, who was an idiot of the first degree. I realize that with the Republican house of Representatives, the government and the Washington establishment is going to be going backwards (not gridlock, backwards!). But what do we do? How do we wake up Americans? How do we organize? It is time for action. We need a leader who can express the best way to go about it. We need this leader now! Maxine de Villefranche
Maxine,
I cannot escape just yet either. If I use the slave analogy, I haven’t been able to break free from my chains (some of them self made). If I don’t yet have the energy and the means to escape, how can I have the energy and means to start a revolution?
Some things can’t be fixed. Best thing to do is get out of the way when it breaks down. I sure don’t want to be around in any large city where guns and shortages are everywhere. And I sure don’t want to become a target for those in power.
Yes, Mr. Sprite, you are right. I enslaved myself in many ways, but I thought that was the American way to buy a house, use my credit cards to buy stuff, etc. How wrong I was. However, slaves do and have started revolutions. When people have nothing to lose anymore, they get very desperate. I realize things will get very ugly before they get better. To just escape before the shit hits the fan feels like being a rat escaping a sinking ship. I have been a fighter all my life, but at my age, I don’t know that I still have some fighting in me. I am angry at what has been done to this country. When I moved to the Corporate States of America in the late sixties, I had so much hope. I went through a variety of occupations, from clothes designer to radiochemist to being an attorney. I lived, observed, learned and became increasingly disgusted by what America is doing not only to itself but to other countries. All around the world, Americans have become disliked and even hated. They are seen as arrogant, cruel and have become unstoppable killers all in the name of money (oil, natural resources, etc.) I wish it was different, but at this point, I am ashamed of being an American and want to revert back to being a Canadian again. Although I will never live in Canada again because my retirement will take place in Costa Rica, I would prefer to be known as a Canadian rather than an American. It has been a long voyage, not finished yet, but hopefully, a peaceful retirement is on the horizon. But will I have to fight my way there for the next 4.5 years?
[quote=”maxdevil”]Yes, Mr. Sprite, you are right. I enslaved myself in many ways, but I thought that was the American way to buy a house, use my credit cards to buy stuff, etc. How wrong I was. However, slaves do and have started revolutions. When people have nothing to lose anymore, they get very desperate. I realize things will get very ugly before they get better. To just escape before the shit hits the fan feels like being a rat escaping a sinking ship. I have been a fighter all my life, but at my age, I don’t know that I still have some fighting in me. I am angry at what has been done to this country. When I moved to the Corporate States of America in the late sixties, I had so much hope. I went through a variety of occupations, from clothes designer to radiochemist to being an attorney. I lived, observed, learned and became increasingly disgusted by what America is doing not only to itself but to other countries. All around the world, Americans have become disliked and even hated. They are seen as arrogant, cruel and have become unstoppable killers all in the name of money (oil, natural resources, etc.) I wish it was different, but at this point, I am ashamed of being an American and want to revert back to being a Canadian again. Although I will never live in Canada again because my retirement will take place in Costa Rica, I would prefer to be known as a Canadian rather than an American. It has been a long voyage, not finished yet, but hopefully, a peaceful retirement is on the horizon. But will I have to fight my way there for the next 4.5 years?[/quote]
I always hope I am mistaken for a Canadian when in Costa Rica. I am concerned I will be mistaken as a typical, arrogant, rich american. I don’t think it makes much difference, though, in Costa Rica.
I have found that most expats I meet in Costa Rica are quite friendly. Scott certainly lives an affluent life style, well above the standard of 99% of Ticos, he’s seems to move well in local Tico circles. The perception of the “rich arrogant” American is more myth than fact thanks to TV, most US citizens moving or traveling to Costa Rica are certainly not rich(but most of us are rich, at least from a monetary perspective relative to a typical Tico.) In the community that I “live” in Costa Rica, we have a great expat community fully integrated in the local Tico community. We surf, work and play together. Not perfect, but nothing is.
MaxDevil, you choose to live a life based on materialism, excess and greed. certainly as an attorney you are one of the so called “rich” Americans. What are you complaining about? You want to blame America for your reckless lifestyle? Give me a break, your life, your choice you are educated enough to be responsible for your actions. It is not written into the US Constitution to be a greedy, selfish and shallow. I think excessive TV watching and advertising campaigns have more to do with creating sheeple than “America.”
You will get little argument from me on most of our foreign policy, but thats another thread:)
When individual take responsibility for their own lives we all will be better off.
[quote=”*Lotus”]I have found that most expats I meet in Costa Rica are quite friendly. Scott certainly lives an affluent life style, well above the standard of 99% of Ticos, he’s seems to move well in local Tico circles. The perception of the “rich arrogant” American is more myth than fact thanks to TV, most US citizens moving or traveling to Costa Rica are certainly not rich(but most of us are rich, at least from a monetary perspective relative to a typical Tico.) In the community that I “live” in Costa Rica, we have a great expat community fully integrated in the local Tico community. We surf, work and play together. Not perfect, but nothing is.
MaxDevil, you choose to live a life based on materialism, excess and greed. certainly as an attorney you are one of the so called “rich” Americans. What are you complaining about? You want to blame America for your reckless lifestyle? Give me a break, your life, your choice you are educated enough to be responsible for your actions. It is not written into the US Constitution to be a greedy, selfish and shallow. I think excessive TV watching and advertising campaigns have more to do with creating sheeple than “America.”
You will get little argument from me on most of our foreign policy, but thats another thread:)
When individual take responsibility for their own lives we all will be better off.[/quote]
Environment molds behavior. You have to adapt to the system in which you live. If you grew up in the States, you adapted to the destructive system in place. Your behavior would reflect the warped values of that system.
I try my best not to hold individuals liable for behavior attributable to environment. The system is the cause, bad behavior is a symptom. Anyone who is trying to separate himself from that system is to be applauded, not criticized.
For example, I pity individuals who have succumbed to the false ideology which inspires them to put on uniforms and kill for it but I don;t criticize them. Instead, I attack the system and its ideology.People don’t make choices, they react to environment.
Sprite said;
“Spin it any way you wish, the ultimate decision to put on a uniform and kill is made by individuals. Shame on you for blaming a government. Governments are a known abuser of people and the only way they can get away with wars is by the acquiescence of INDIVIDUALS who are fanatical patriots or apathetic citizens. I have no compulsion to honor weak-minded or despicable behavior by others.”You need to try a little harder, you seem to spew nothing but hate and discontent.
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