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“Trumped up reason?” How could you think such a thing Maravilla?
No! What will probably happen is that there will be a growing tide of people who will decide to live outside the US until the health insurance companies and the other major corporations realize that hey! “With an extra million people living outside the USA, who should have been paying us 1,000,000 multiplied by $XXX per month, we gotta stop this!”
But it won’t be a “trumped up reason” Maravilla, it will be a carefully planned system where you will have to “apply” to retire outside the USA “for your protection.” I reckon we all have a 5-10 year window.
Either that or, they could easily create a well publicized “terrorist attack” in the country that receives most of the gringo retirees so that A: No more will want to retire there and B: The ones already there will want to leave and C: The brave ones that may still consider it will then have to go through an “application process for their protection” and they will think that it’s all quite reasonable… Just as they think Homeland Security is quite reasonable when more than one million illegals literally walk across the Mexican border every year.
Meanwhile you can not board your plane becasue they tell you that you are on the no fly list because your name has the same number of letters in it as Osama’s
When are we all going to wake up!
Scott B,
So you think that we would still be in this same situation it we had minimized our reliance on foreign oil 20 years ago (a decade after our oil crisis, which should have been long enough to achieve that)?
I think that worrying about the US government banning overseas travel is a bit paranoid. My rush to move back to CR is based more on bettering my mental and physical health by removing myself once again from the rat race.
The world moves in pendulum swings. Insanity eventually leads to normalcy. Witness Vietnam, the Cuban Missile Crisis, the Cold War, etc. Hey, we’re still here today after millennia of warring.
Well, the gov’t is already restricting overseas travel — if you owe money for child support, you ain’t gonna get a passport. Period. Now what would you call that? And when will you not be able to get a passport because you are delinquent on your mortgage, credit card bills, Federal taxes, etc? All of those restrictions are in the pipeline. I heard one report a few months ago that talked about linking your passport records to your credit report. Et voila — you ain’t going anywhere!!!
Lotus, I’m not at all certain that a Catholic physician, practicing in a Catholic hospital or not, is required to perform an abortion or any other procedure which s/he finds morally repugnant. Nor does my friend have any moral obligation to restrict his career choices to those without exposure to alcohol.
I have a nephew who is an careeer orthopedic surgeon in the Navy. He and his comrades have the right to refuse to perform procedures with which they are not comfortable — for whatever reason. Do civilian physicians have fewer rights?
And my recovering alcoholic friend certainly retains the right to open (say) a convenience store but not to sell alcohol, just as Muslim taxidrivers have a right not to transport it. Would you require my friend to have a liquor license for his store? Seriously?
But the point remains that as individuals and as a society, we can afford to make allowances for the well-founded sensitivities of others as long as that sensitivity does not pose an unbearable burden on us. There are plenty of taxicabs around and plenty of convenience stores. And the U.S. and the west can afford to be sensitive to the sensitivities of the Muslim world.
Oh, and by the way . . . The European Renaissance was well underway long before the European powers commenced to colonize the rest of the world. The colonization of Africa, the Western Hemisphere, etc all took place in the context of an “enlightened” European political system.
Scott, You have to love these hot topics! If you noticed the best topics that make people come back to post are this one and the gringa dating that hit the altime high of 58 posts! What has been the highest ?
Any ways,
I have this question, What has the Islamic countrys done to bridge the gap between them and the U.S.?
With out going back to 100 or 80 years. Lets just stick to the past 15 years.I can list many things that the U.S. has done to bridge the gap nationaly and internationaly.
Nationlaly the U.S. has reached out to the Islamic communitys and helped them come to the U.S. where they are free to practice their religion. The Nation has backed up many laws letting them practice their religion (like prayer rooms in private biz that are forced to supply them)
Internationaly when ever there is a crises like natural disastors and hurricans we have been there with support, or look at the palistinians many U.S. people were siding with them to push back the Isrealies. (now look what has happend after the Isrealies moved out of Palistine, Personaly I am very disappointed because they had the opertunity to make peace with the Isrealies, instead they didn’t take it).
The U.S. is not the only country that is having these same problems with Islamic communities, Russia, France, Europe, Yes Central and South America. (Peru has a large Islamic community and they are having cultural problems)
As much as many of the countries have tried to let the Isamic communities grow in their cultures the Islamic communites are not able to simulate. Look at France!
Instead issues like the school massacre in Beslan that was incredibly horible and sensless happend. (this was also a time when the U.S. sent 2 airplanes, both of them were from my home unit to help the Russian goverment as a olive leaf.)At what point will the Islamic communites stop being selfish and respect the host nations cultures? Like in Minnesota with the Muslim cab drivers? The cab drivers could just keep to their own biz and not ask a simple question about what their passengers are carring. Most people respect the cab drivers religous right but the cab drivers have to repect the right of the passanger as well.
“There are plenty of taxicabs around and plenty of convenience stores. And the U.S. and the west can afford to be sensitive to the sensitivities of the Muslim world.” Well in the Twin Cities at the airport the 90 percent of the drivers are now Somaili or Muslim.
Also as a old teacher of mine use to say “your rights stop where my rights begin” Were is the respect for the right of the passenger? Where is the respect for the rights of a employer that dosent want to offer prayer rooms? Respecting rights is a two way street!Regarding the topic of Oil, yes I would have to say we would be there no matter what. Some people think this is all about oil (which we have not recived one drop from Iraq), well the Islamic community knows different, its about religion to the Muslims.
Lets take a look at the tapes of Bin Laden and see why 911 happend, the top two reasons was Isreal and Palastine, and being on Saudi Soil(Mecca). Well in 2004 we have pulled all bases out of Saudi Soil (I do know this because I was in the area when the shut down Prince Sultan) and they now made new demands like all Americans must convert to Islam (is this building bridges?).But back to the question of the Board, Unhappy Americans in Costa Rica? By the looks of these post you could easy understand some view points.
Most Ticos would think that gringos go over board on this subject and think they would be crazy to give up the U.S. life style. I know my brother in-laws would love to stay in the states! If you leave the states for reasons of looking for the garden of eden and to change the world then you are moving to CR for the wrong reasons, most likly you will bring your baggage with you and will eventurally move back to the states like many gringos do.Again you can count on this gringo moving to CR not because he is upset with his home land or world political views but because he loves his Tica enough for family! (and the family’s 6 dogs)
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QUESTION FROM THE MODERATOR
Since there are some unique views here from the many Americans living in Costa Rica – Would you like to have your own ‘Americans in Costa Rica – Hot Topics Forum’
Scott Oliver – Founder
WeLoveCostaRica.comDavid, I would assume one looking for an abortion would not go to a Catholic hospital but since it is a right for a woman to choose in this country perhaps they would be required to perform an abortion, i’ll look into that?. And convienence stores don’t all sell alcohol or are required too, would he open a liquor store and not sell alcohol? Silly…Would he become a waiter and refuse to bring a beer to the table(or pick a place that does not sell alcohol to work) Or would he ask the establishment to stop selling booze? But a taxi driver is meant to provide transport for the public…that is all they do. If they have a religious conflict with this they should get into another line of work. How far do we go with your line of thought? Lets Keep religous beliefs in the home or private clubs; we do not live in a Christian, Muslim or any other religous monarchy, although some folks act like we do! Business has an obligation to serve the public regardless of whether i’m a drinker, catholic, man, woman, handicapped etc…I’m a vegetarian and am part of a religion that suggests this as an appropriate diet. I eat in restaurants that serve meat, shop where meat is served have friends that eat the stuff I don’t ask for any special treatment. This is my belief and don’t suggest for a minute that it is the only way to live. If I was a cabby yes I would allow meat eaters in. Would you not feel slighted or annoyed or denied your rights if after getting off a red eye from San Jose I asked you if you ate meat then denied you a ride? My foray into european history was to point out we have evolved…. a bit and also to point out we were just as barbaric in our own time. Do the research on human rights in Iran, Somalia, Darfur, Saudi Arabia (where I was told if you see a man strike a woman it is advised not to say anything or be arrested) etc…and you will see an appaling human rights record. If we were really concerned about democracy and human rights we would not be building bridges with countries that have very little regard for fair and egual rights for all people, we would insist you may believe in any god you like, but people will be treated with dignity and respect or take your business elswhere. But I stopped believing we were beacon of human rights and democratic principle’s a long time ago Hence our government is interested in money and power, and when these are at stake we will do business with anyone or invade or otherwise intrude. Shall I make a list? And then when they no longer serve our needs we either leave them in ruins or invade: Panama, Haiti, Nicauragua, Irag just to name a few oh yeah and most of Africa. I’m not consumed by anger at this but except what I consider the facts, and do my best to live a peaceful life.
The U.S. Government is not in control of America
It’s the international banking cartel. If you think that our problems, in the U.S. and elsewhere, are coming from the corrupt U.S. government you are partly right (in my opinion) but you probably also think the Federal Reserve is federal but it is not part of the government and it is the reason why we have a (huge) national debt. The Federal Reserve is not federal and there are no reserves in this privately owned parasitic CREATURE FROM JEKYLL ISLAND(THE)(see book by G. Edward Griffin)If you don’t know the history of money and want to understand how the Federal Reserve is a crime that has been perpetrated on the American people and how the criminals are operating throughout the world, go to Google video and search and view the video called Money Masters. This should get you there :
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1339460790371560078&q=Money+Masters&hl=en
I think this should be required viewing by everyone, not just Americans but too many are more concerned about the ball game or which celebrity ( or politician)is sleeping with whom. We are all being screwed by the global elitists ( Builderburgers, Rothchilds, Rockefellers, and secret societies like the Illuminati, and the Skull and Bones [two of their members were our only choices last election]) who want to create a one world government to enslave us permanently with their intrusive invasive tracking technology.
Y.t. Clodius
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Muslims building a bridge to the Western world??? Surely you jest. They think we are stupid, decadent, barbaric, selfish infidels who must be killed so that a Muslim world can ensue. Ain’t no way they are going to bridge the gap or build a bridge, but maybe they’ll blow one up. They are not interested in peace because we are, in their eyes, the antithesis to everything that Mohammed preaches against. And how can you prove we haven’t gotten one drop of oil out of Iraq? Because our gov’t said so? If you think this war is not about oil, you haven’t done your research. The foremost Middle East expert says it is and lists all the reasons in his book “Sleeping With the Devil – How the US Sold Its Soul for Saudi Crude.”
Maravilla,
Regarding the US gov’t denying passports to people who owe child support (I didn’t know that – but if you have a passport already, I bet they don’t restrict your travel, do they?), I would call that a result of the feminist movement. In Costa Rica, this movement was quite a bit less powerful, but the country places such importance on human rights in general that they took this action one step further. If you have a Tico passport, you can’t leave unless you have permission from the Patronato Nacional de la Infancia. They give this permission after they’ve checked that you don’t owe for child support, AND you’ve placed enough funds for such support to cover the time you’ll be out of the country.
On the other hand, restricting travel because you’re behind on other bills or taxes, or based on credit, is not, IMHO very likely. In essence, that would be the same as saying only the rich have a right to travel abroad. Ain’t gonna happen. The political pendulum will swing to the left well before. I didn’t believe in the domino theory in Vietnam, and I don’t believe it in the case of restricting civil liberties.
1. People on the fringe have the loudest voices.
2. The American electorate falls for their 5 second sound bytes.
3. Non-mainstream candidates get elected.
4. They do stupid things.
5. The pendulum swings the other direction.
This is the circle of American political life.
Clodius,
Don’t put too much faith in what you hear, read or view on video. All sources are biased, and most have hidden agendas. There are some large kernels of truth in what you have said (which is how the most powerful myths are perpetuated), but I think you have been influenced just a bit too much by a few such biased sources.
The Federal Reserve Bank has two tools to control the US economy. The first is deciding how much new money is printed. While this used to have a large impact of regulating things, since the US dollar is now the most widely used international currency, this tool is no longer very effective (like the US trying to ban internet gambling).
The other is fixing the interest rate at which money is lent to private financial institution overnight. This tool is all they have now to keep our economy from slowing down too much, or overheating. You may debate which is the more important factor in making these decisions, inflation or unemployment, but the fact is that this entity is not nearly as powerful as you seem to think.
Aside from this, the Federal Reserve does not set economic policy. It’s the executive and legislative branch that has created our huge national debt. As a matter of fact, the Chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank, (who is appointed by the President, which does make is quasi-governmental) chides the President and Congress at every opportunity about how they spend our money. If it were actually a department of the federal government (i.e. much more influenced by politics, like the way our government uses the Social Security fund to pay our debts), then we’d really be screwed (as opposed to partially screwed).
I totally agree that business concerns have inordinate power over policy, both local and international. I also agree that, given the globalized state of the economy, the US federal government has limited control. But there is one party out there that trumps what you call the “international banking cartel”, and that’s China. If China decided to pull their investments out of the US, we’d be toast.
Regarding the one world government you fear, it already exists. The only problem is that there’s no representation by the people. It is controlled by the executive branches of governments, democratic or otherwise, who are for the most part bought and paid for by business concerns.
I think you need to get information from many more sources. Again, they’re ALL biased (some more than others), but only then can you discern an approximation of the truth. Along the way you’ll have to confront the definition of “truth”. It’s a long journey (sounds like you’re on your way), and you’re right that most people are too wrapped up in all the various opiates of the masses, like ball games and pop stars.
Keep searching! I guarantee you that every time you find one extreme view point, you’ll find a convincing counterpoint elsewhere.
The challenge and problems we face in the world today is that most people already have their minds made up about everything. About politics, about religion, about economics, about life itself. They feel that they have all the answers, and there is nothing further to question. There is merely to implement the answers, to insist on the answers, to stick to the answers no matter what.
This is dogma, and dogma is killing us. Our refusal to look for new answers or to even consider the posibility that new answers might exist at a time when it is clear to all of us that the old answers are no longer working, is bringing an end to the experience of life on this planet as we have known it.
Worship money, worship beauty, no family values, fiction reality, abusive tax system from government, corrupt and arrogant politicians, abusive banking, medical and utility companies, and now even churches are hiding the true and are part of the corrupt system.
There is no cure or solutions at this point, we are just hiding the simptoms for so long. Something big is about to happen, don’t ask me where or when. Just get ready before is to late. And please stay away from big cities…..
Live well,
CaesarThere’s already talk of restricting travel if they think you are running away from your financial obligations — will they or can they enforce that, I don’t know, but don’t think it CAN’T happen. As for the restriction of getting a passport because you owe child support, whatever does that have to do with the feminist movement? You’re sounding a little bit like that other guy Dogo who blamed the fall of civilization on bra-burners. Paying child support has nothing whatsoever to do with the feminist movement. It’s about holding sperm donors accountable for the children they produce, which is the absolute right thing to do.
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