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maravilla: I would like to thank you for your post. First it didn’t address the key question directly (Why Bash The USA at Every Chance even in this forum which isn’t about the US). But you did give your opinion if I read it right; the US should be bashed at any oppertunity because it is a Facist country full of facist citizens. We are also a war mongaring society without one redeemable quality according to you.
Based on all that anger and hate I will never understand how you will ever live Pura Vida. But I wish you luck trying.
I want to thank you for leaving the US we are a much better country without you. If you would only give up your american citizenship too.
I want to thank you for never coming back and for giving up all the rights an american has.
I truly want to thank you for limiting your time on this forum now so I won’t have to read your words much in the future. I wish I could say I will miss you but in truth I welcome you being gone.
I only hope you are as giving to your new country as you have been to your past country especially plese be as vocal about the things you dislike I know the Tico’s will appreciate it.
Lastly I hope you are completely open at your party with these journalist so they may get to see the real you take pleanty of pictures maybe even video it because after an eveing listening to you I would not be surprised if they miss your future events. Unless these are journalist who also cover Castro or Chavez. In any event have a wonderful long life.
Edited on Feb 03, 2007 01:19
Hola Vegas!
I want you to know that you speak for many of us out here (and better than me, I might add) who share your opinions of the aformentioned US basher! From what I have read, I will be living a great distance away.
The opportunities afforded her over the many years in the USA made it possible to accumulate the wealth sufficient to allow her to relocate to another country. However, in her mind, positives do not exist.
If the USA was as she states, government officials would have seized her passport and prevented her from ever leaving the country. I am certain that this forum is monitored by the CIA.———
I have sat quietly by and read every one of her trashy posts and thought the time was right to make a short comment. Your post spurned me on to do just that.
Harvey
I have to agree with you, Harvcarp and vegasknite… I too took a LONG break from the forum because I was bored and angered too often by the U.S. naysayers…I thank you!
Thank you Harvey & Jamesey: I don’t mind being the voice that stands up for the US when she is knocked unjustly but it is nice to see you and the others that have voiced their opinions on this thread. I am certain we all have had issues with our government at various times and even voiced our negative feelings about something that we believe is wrong.
It’s nice to know that you both are back on this valued site and we will all share information fears and concerns about Costa Rica living.
Hopefully Scott will see how many people still screen his work yet hadn’t posted for a long time due to the negative posts by a few haters.
As GringoTico wrote above there are reasons to compare and even to state negatives about both the US and Costa Rica but always in context of the thread. I believe none of us have issue with that in fact I would bet we all welcome valuable information.
Vegasknite
I like reading Maravilla’s posts. She shoots from the hip, and tells it like it is. You are reading stuff into her posts that isn’t even there. Where does it say that the USA is a fascist country and all of the citizens are too? What she is referring to, is the current administration. The axis of evil in the White House, who have destroyed Americas credibility worldwide. The fear and war mongering admin. Obviously 70% of the citizens are not happy,just read the polls.
You recently show up on this board, and become a self appointed authority on everything. When someone doesn’t like what this Pres. has done to the country, you pull the unpatriotic card just like Bush does. When someone doesn’t agree with you, you become condesending, you belittle them, and attack them personally. Read your own posts.
Who died and left you keys to the Kingdom?
Bravo Maravilla!Hi peg: Just as you like maravilla’s post I don’t like them. I never called her unpatriotic I said she spews anti american rhetoric every chance she can. I don’t have to read my posts I wrote them I know what I wrote they are my feelings thoughts and opinions along with facts used to back up my position. If you read all of my posts as you claim you have you might have noticed I never defended the Bush administration in fact I never stated anywhere whether I agree with or disagree with it. Your claim that I am the self proclaimed authority on everything is disproved by my posts asking for help and information about costa rica in many places on this forum. Which is why I believe this forum was created. I question why people like maravilla bash the US when the issues in a thread is about something specific to CR living or land and so fourth. Just for you knowledge I have been a VIP member for more than a year and during that time I never posted because I wasn’t ready to relocate to Costa Rica as the time is here for me to move I have been asking questions and gaining information while that has been going on maravilla and a couple of others have used the space to bash the US constantly so I chose to question it. I also questioned some racist statements since I deplore racism. Other than that I don’t know what you are refering to about my being all knowing. While you may not like my choice of words sense of humor or writing skills and you may disagree with my opinions I don’t know how I am stopping you from reading anyones posts or forcing you to read anyone elses. I haven’t kicked you or anyone else off the site nor do I have the power to. I thanked your friend for alerting me that she will be spending less time here and I truly welcome her choice. Thank you peg for your input and support.
Vegasknite
Talk about twisting the facts. Being anti-administration is not anti-American. It’s because we love our home country that we voice our criticism. Otherwise how do we stop the destruction. The people spoke in November. Even a big chunk of Bushs own party is speaking out. The rest are to weak , scared or in denial. A lot of them are scared of what may happen to them if they disagree, they may lose their jobs, something may happen to their families, (Valerie Plame) or they may just disappear. Talk about conspiracy theories. It’s going to take decades to undo the harm that this current administration has done. We’re not bashing the USA, we’re telling it like it is about Bush and his cronies.
Talk about bashing, you are a master at that, only yours is personal against people on this site who disagree wih you, Prefacing it with thank you, is just sarcastic bashing!!Well Peg please identify what facts I have twisted since you made that statement that I have. You claim you dislike and don’t approve of the current administration this is you right and I respect it. But why voice it on WLCR why not voice it where it does some good and has a positive affect; like in your voting, writing your elected officials, in your own community in the US, organize rallys and marches, write the editorial pages of local US newspapers. That makes sense to me. But when a thread is started on this website about something Costa Rica specific why bring that stuff up. That is what I questioned when I started this thread. Getting back to maravilla there is another thread on WLCR addressing crime in Costa Rica and maravilla turned it into a minority issue in Denver and St Louis and I questioned her in that thread about her racist statements as I read it. These are facts that you can read right here in this thread and others on this Board. I don’t care if you dislike or disagree with me or my point of view but I don’t accept having words put in my mouth.
The other thing you bring up in your last post is Valerie Plame please expand on what she has to do with this discusion. Also I would suggest that you use the latest facts about her and her husband’s claims and what was later identified to be the truth. There are many other examples you could choose which might better address issues with the current administration. I think you chose a loser but that is just my opinion. Again I have never discussed how I feel about the current administration on this board and I won’t. I have clearly stated I have many issues with US policy on many subjects and I even elaborated on some. Yet I still do not feel this is the correct forum to bash the US compare yes critisize in context of a thread yes bash no. While you are entitled to your opinion and you may write what you see fit to post so may I. Pura Vida
what a laugh i´ve had. thanks, kids. here´s the latest article by my neighbor and best pal. seems he has some of my same viewponts. carry on, right-wingers!
They’re shocked, shocked they tell you
by Mark Drolette | Feb 8 2007 – 10:20pm | permalink
article tools: email | print | read more Mark DroletteThey’re everywhere.
Even in Costa Rica.
Which is where I was recently for the fifth time to check on my house construction and also officially become a legal resident of the country which, among other things, now allows me, for about forty bucks a month, to join its national health care system under which I will be fully covered medically, pre-existing conditions be damned. (You know, just like how we do it in America.)
That’s right; Costa Rica doesn’t care that I’m asthmatic or have been married three times. (If multiple marriages don’t sound like a health issue to you, you’ve obviously not met any of my exes.)
OK, then, so on with it: who are these “they”?
Shh! “They” are America’s real enemies:
Bush supporters.
I knew I was in trouble the moment I met them at the bed and breakfast at which I was lodging for a week. See, I have a well-developed sick sense, one that allows me to detect the unmistakable stench of fascism.
I see brain-dead people.
One of the B&B’s operators, a friend, introduced me to three other guests at the beginning of my visit: a man and two women who were traveling together. Their accents, combined with a certain air, raised my first alert.
When my amigo mentioned I was moving soon to Costa Rica, the inevitable question arose:
“Why?” they asked.
“Politics.”
Silence. Frozen smiles. Change of subject.
No me gustan, we have a problem.
Dinner at the inn later was peppered with enough “Praise Gods,” bible references and personal miracle witnessing to confirm my life’s karma account is still clearly in deficit.
(Maybe it was that third marriage. Or the second. Or the…)
Though I periodically encountered these individuals over the next few days, the subject of politics was thankfully avoided.
I wasn’t always so disinclined to join the fray, oh no not by a long shot.
During the two years I regularly wrote political satire for various ‘Net sites (until spring 2006), I was, of course, immersed in politics. But after deciding I could no longer abide the paranoia-laced, open-air insane asylum known as America and that I needed to get the hell out, I chose to focus my time and energy on doing just that. It wasn’t easy laying politics aside but, after much internal struggle and many discussions with others, I have (pretty much) managed to do it.
Try as I might, though, sometimes there’s just no avoiding it.
Even in Costa Rica.
Minutes before leaving for the airport at the end of my visit, as I ate breakfast, one of the women entered the kitchen.
“So…you’re going back to work on Monday?” she asked.
“Yes. Arnold needs me,” I replied sardonically.
(This would be Arnold Schwarzenazi, who is ultimately my boss as I am employed by the State of California.)
“Tell me,” she drawled, “what do the people of California think of Arnold?”
“Well,” I rejoined evenly, “apparently seventy percent of the voters think he’s doing just fine. Personally, it makes me embarrassed to be from the state.”
Pause.
“Well, we voted for Bush.”
Another pause.
“Twice.”
The kicker:
“Who knew?”
Old, familiar rage welled up quickly from within. I actually dropped my fork.
Who knew?
Who knew??
It was all I could do to spit out through gritted teeth: “Well, I knew. And lots of people I know, knew.”
But it was pointless to get into it, regardless how irate I was, for one thing I (finally) learned about right-wingers before semi-retiring the columnar keyboard was that it was an utter waste of time trying to “debate” them. It eventually became apparent, whether I’d spent hours composing well-constructed, painstakingly-sourced responses to flamers’ kooky cutter e-mails or gone toe-to-toe with a co-worker on the workroom floor, that America’s good Germans were always thrown by, and refused to respond to, certain annoying technicalities I always meanly and deliberately insisted on including in my arguments:
facts.
Yeah, who knew?
Who knew, for instance, that wooden drones couldn’t fly non-stop from Iraq, penetrate American airspace and then deliver their massive individual payloads of approximately two liters of Roundup®? (Lest you laugh, don’t forget: this was the new, improved, extra-strength formula.)
Or who knew that Bushco’s official embrace of the use of torture could ever tarnish the image America loves to project, that of being a highly-civilized country, that, you know, officially disdains the use of torture?
Who knew Bush and company would, every chance they got, shred the Constitution clause by clause, acting like they considered it to be nothing more than, say, just a goddamned piece of paper as well as a major irritant to their grandiose dreams of world corporate domination because, well…those are the very things they considered it?
Who knew the war in Iraq was really all about, after Hussein’s ouster, moving U.S. military forces from Saudi Arabia (whose long-term presence there had been causing our good friends in the House of Saud some rather sticky internal problems) and onto permanent bases in Iraq so America could then indefinitely sit pretty atop Iraq’s oil tap? (Other than those, that is, who took the time to read even a few paragraphs of the treatise from the Project for the New American Century [PNAC] called “Rebuilding America’s Defenses” that clearly laid the whole thing out one full year before 9/11.)
Who knew the Bushies were capable of treasonously outing a CIA agent and then, gasp!, lying about it?
Who knew Bush would more than double Hussein’s body count and keep those who toil in the mass graves business workin’ big-time on their dig time? (I’ll admit, I misunderestimated Dubya’s score on this one. I saw a sign at one of the 2003 pre-war marches in San Francisco that said “500,000 will die” and thought: “OK, that guy’s a little high.” Turns out, even he was low-balling.)
Who knew the proposition that the creatures who ru(i)n this country are in reality children-sacrificing, reptilian shape-shifters would end up as plausible as any for explaining why these heinous monsters do what they do?
(If this one’s accurate, I know a couple of little hellions they could start off with in the apartment next door.)
Who knew the cracked neocon-backed attack on Iran wouldn’t turn out so hot, unless, that is, you’re talking about the radioactivity released by the beyond-the-pale-nuts-even-for-them-and-that’s-really-saying-something use of nuclear weapons? (Whoops; this one hasn’t happened. Yet.)
Gosh almighty. Who, indeed, could have known any of this, or so very much more?
It was only inevitable, of course, that when Bush and his insane handlers finally got so out of control and the situation became so dire that their lunacy would be obvious to all but the most moronic (in other words, Dubya himself and others with similar IQs, like eggplants), we would then get from former Bushco supporters what I heard in Costa Rica, this utterly execrable insouciant self-absolution of any personal responsibility in the whole sickening, murderous affair.
It was only a matter of time, too, before the supremely self-satisfied, denial-drenched architects of the mad mayhem themselves began furiously backpedaling and breaking out the sharp blades best suited for insertion into the closest available back. In the January issue of Vanity Fair, David Rose records these U-turns from a whole nest of neoconservatives:
Longtime neocon Kenneth Adelman complains the Bush administration “national-security team” “turned out to be among the most incompetent teams in the [post-WWII] era. Not only did each of them, individually, have enormous flaws, but together they were deadly, dysfunctional.” (It is hard to take, I guess, if you can’t have your cakewalk and bleat it, too.)
Former Defense Policy Board chairman and general all-around vile thing Richard Perle points the finger at “opposition” and “disloyalty” within the administration for helping produce the fiasco in Iraq. Poor Perle’s particularly piqued regarding hurtful accusations he’s cruelly had to endure: “Huge mistakes were made, and I want to be very clear on this: they were not made by neoconservatives, who had almost no voice in what happened, and certainly almost no voice in what happened after the downfall of the regime in Baghdad. I’m getting damn tired of being described as an architect of the war.”
PNAC charter member Frank Gaffney blames “skulduggery” and “palpable insubordination” at the White House for Iraq gone wild. Fellow PNACer Eliot A. Cohen gee whizzes he “wouldn’t be surprised if what we end up drifting toward [in Iraq] is some sort of withdrawal on some sort of timetable and leaving the place in a pretty ghastly mess.”
Actually, I can relate to all these guys: back in the day, I remember how miffed I’d get whenever I’d use my considerable influence to push for war for years and then it, like, happened and stuff.
I mean, ’cause, really — who knew?
What made crossing paths with the unapologetic Bushites in Costa Rica even more unpalatable but so characteristic was the public piety they displayed at the dinner table. Though this is only supposition, it’s not a stretch to think at least part of the reason they backed Bush is because of his purported born-againism.
If that’s what Christianity is all about, please, direct me to the nearest pentagram. (I’m sure there’s one in Cheney’s office.)
Hypocrisy has always oozed from these types and has long been what I detest about them most. So it’s not surprising in the least to hear the excuses fly now about how it’s all turned to so much ashes and how oh how could they have ever seen it coming?
After all, who knew?
Unh-uh. Sorry. Not so fast. Just as Hitler wouldn’t have gotten as far as he did without solid support from and constant acquiescence by the German populace in the face of ongoing domestic and then, cross-border horrors, so neither would the Bush administration have been able to, in an astonishingly short time, dismantle just about everything that was good and decent about this admittedly deeply flawed but had-a-chance nation without the aid, whether overt or otherwise, provided by tens of millions of belligerently nationalistic, xenophobic, morally twisted, historically ignorant, scared-of-their-own-shadows Americans.
On a personal level, here’s the worst part: the trio of Bush fans I met in Costa Rica were there to seriously scout land for purchase, property that is very close to mine on which to live at least part-time, so it is likely our paths will cross often in the future.
Thus, in effect, they are fleeing the very mess they helped create, landing with a very loud thud right near me. If there were any justice in this world, these three and millions like them would be precluded from forever leaving the States and forced to work their asses off trying to right the ship that is America from sinking under the dead weight with which they’ve so willingly loaded it these last few benighted years.
But as we all know, justice is in very short supply these days.
It’s fair to ask what my responsibility is. Don’t I, as an American citizen, have a duty to stay and fight the good fight alongside the millions of fine, dedicated folks who are determined to do just that?
As I wrote in an earlier column, we all gotta do what we all gotta do. For one thing, I am very excited about the possibilities that await me in lovely, welcoming Costa Rica. For another, I’m not the first to leave his or her country of birth from disgust and I sure as hell won’t be the last. I take solace I’ll be in good company.
Except for when, of course, I unfortunately find it polluted by the presence of those who, after willingly signing off on years of Bushit, now attempt to plead ignorance regarding the ramifications, looking for a free pass they don’t ever deserve.
Even in Costa Rica.
Copyright © 2007 Mark Drolette. All rights reserved.
P.S. Thank you, Molly Ivins. Rest in peace.
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About author Mark Drolette is a writer who currently lives in Sacramento, California, and whose next book Why Costa Rica? Why the Hell Not? will at last be his first, due to be published once it’s finished and then, finally, published. He can be reached at: mdrolette@comcast.net.
some of you really really really need to do some research and stop believing everything you read fromt he ultra-right-wing media. sheesh.
Wow! This stuff is so deep. Bushco? What do you mean by that? Please give us more! MORE! and I love your free plugs on this forum. I’m sure Scott’s idea of a forum about Costa Rica living was created just so you could sell your stuff.
You want “MORE”… I love my country, but we have been stuck with a knife and we are bleeding to death… Money, controlled by the Zionists are the root of evil in the entire World. England is in the same hole as the US… Seven regions of the World are coming, the Amero replacing the Dollar Bill is coming, USA, Canada and Mexico borders will be gone… A great tragedy will happen in the USA, when another 21,500 of our beloved troops are dispatched to Iraq… The Iran will be blamed for an attack in the USA and we will invade Iran, if Israel doesn’t beat us to the punch with their nuclear bombs, produced in Israel… The USA continues to borrow money from the Federal Reserve at 3% interest adding to the National Debt, and the USA doesn’t control the Federal Reserve… This interest is paid to twelve different banks who paid $100 per share for ownership of the Federal Reserve… Eight of those banks are on foreign territory… Executive Order 11110 and five months later JFK was assonated… Over four billion dollars in Silver Certificates issued under this Executive Order were recalled after Presidents Kennedy’s death… President Kennedy had plans to Nationalize the Federal Reserve and it cost him his life… MONEY and CONTROL…
Do you want to read and listen, start your own search and see what you find… Google everything I mentioned above… GOOGLE and You Tube videos of the above mentioned subjects…
I can bury you with truths that are hidden from everyone, except the elite in power…
Oscar Arias visited the USA last year and had many private meetings that relate to Costa Rica and control of it’s people by the Fascists…
Try watching the truths at this website… Then prepare for a recession, bigger that the 1930s… It’s all about control and extermination of people of the world.
Be fearful of the Future and Prepare
Bill MaesThe irony of the Left is hysterical. Comparing Bush to Hitler? You say it is money controlled by Zionists is the root of evil. Are you an anti-Semite? Bush supports Israel so how can he be compared to Hitler? By the way, our Republic voted, we decided to fight. Get out of the way, move to Costa Rica if you want to. America is fighting the biggest Evil since Hitler.
Mr. Roark
Antisemitism (alternatively spelled anti-semitism or anti-Semitism) is hostility toward or prejudice against Jews as a religious, racial, or ethnic group, which can range in expression from individual hatred to institutionalized, violent persecution.
I never expressed antisemitism. I have referred to Zionists as a movement, not a religion.
Have you listened to the many videos from the above website?
Don’t be so quick in condemning what I have posted, as you have not studied the facts of my post. You only mentioned Hitler. There are several other subjects that are spoken of that have ties to each other. The master plan of a “One World Order”.
In my previous post, I suggested that you do the search on your own free will and look in GOOGLE and You Tube for the subjects I have mentioned.
Please take a moment to read from several website from the USA, Russia and Britain and find the facts of how the late Senator Prescott Bush, grand father of our current President, profited from the support given to Hitler. Below are those links from GOOGLE:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1312540,00.html
http://english.pravda.ru/mailbox/22/98/387/11693_bush.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prescott_Bush
http://www.tupbiosystems.com/articles/bush_nazi.html
With due diligence, everyone can learn from the internet and have an open mind to the truths of the world. Please don’t be a sheep and follow what you have not understood.
Search the many subjects in my previous post and learn.
I fear that Costa Rica is on the verge of being a pawn with the rest of the world and with the passing of the TLC, will not have any freedoms and they have today.
I remain and independent thinker
Bill MaesIt’s almost incomprehensible to me that no one seems to remember what precipitated the actions of the government. September 11th is all but a forgotten tragedy.
We are living in a frightening new world. I don’t care what conspiracy theories anyone has. This will probably start a new wave of nuts out of the woodwork anyway, but 9/11 started this mess. Just as appeasement by Neville Chamberlain led to the war to end all wars (WW II), sitting on our hands and not protecting ourselves and our allies will not make this world any safer. Look to Europe and see what’s going on there. I don’t like this war anymore than anyone else does. We are in it, as the rest of the free world and Democracy is, up to our necks.
I’m beginning to get sick and tired of the US bashers who will scream bloody murder if the s**t hits the fan and the US does not step in to help. We are the world’s policemen, for better or worse, like it or not.If you think CR, or any country is immune to this, the sand is just a bit over your ears.
No one loves a soldier till the enemy is at the gate!
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