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[quote=”camby”]Sounds to me that in the end, might as well do all the work yourself, health and abilities depending of course. Too much headache otherwise….[/quote]
Said he who has never picked coffee.
A chicken and an egg are lying in bed. The chicken is smoking a cigarette. The egg is looking very frustrated.
[u]That[/u] is the answer to the age-old question.
davidd, ❗
I’ve never suggested that everything is
hunky dory. :cry:Nor have I ever implied that I
had full faith in the U.
S. or any other :shock::shock::shock::shock:
government.
All I said 😮
above, and
all I’m saying 😮
now, is that the doomsday
oracles
have been wrong:(:(:(:(:( for
years.
[b][size=200]Who is Joe Schmuck?[/size][/b]
And, since there is absolutely
nothing
I could do about this
doomsday scenario, :(:(
whether it has merit or not,
I’m not going to sit up
nights :roll::roll::roll::roll:worrying about
it.
You :!:, of course,
are
welcome to
obsess to your
heart’s content. :shock::shock::shock::shock:
If that’s what
makes you happy. :D:D:D
“. . . naive and ignorant . . .”?
Sure, if it makes you happy.:D:D:D:D:D
Sorry, k, but the wealthy and powerful DO write the laws. They influence who gets nominated to run, finance the campaigns of their chosen, and pay the lobbyists to be sure that those who are elected toe the line. And they accomplish a great deal of that with resources unavailable to the rest of us. In every meaningful way, the already absurdly privileged do run the show primarily for their own selfish benefit.
If you cannot tolerate the prospect of giving up just a little of what you have to alleviate the needs and suffering of your fellow citizens, that simply puts you among a large minority (or maybe a majority) of your uncaring fellows. No one can make you feel empathy. Just don’t expect anyone to admire you for it.
This is the same John Williams who made this prediction regarding 2009, isn’t it, Scott? And also about 2010, 2011, 2012, and 2013, right? Gee, if he lives long enough there’s a statistical chance he’ll get it right. Or maybe not.
Of course, the same can be said for the German rooster that picks Super Bowl champs.
[quote=”camby”]
Russo in his movie, Freedom to Fascism, had a long, but partial, list of average taxes paid by a USA citizen…[/quote]. . . and?
[quote=”kwhite1″]
David, I like my steak medium rare sir![/quote]I’m not sure I’ve ever heard of a turkey steak, but whatever . . .
First off, there are plenty more givers than takers and, for their sometimes greater investments (and sometimes not) the givers get a lot more than the takers. Just look at Scott’s corporate negative income tax data. Those companies are hardly unique.
Second, if there are “documented cases” of those you characterize as “takers” making more than the average business owner, please provide the documentation. I’m just dying to hear about the average business owners you can point to who are forced to live on a Food Stamp budget and haven’t the resources to be able to access medical care. How many of these average business owners are living without heat. Please name them.
Further, when you characterize someone as a “giver” rather than as a “taker”, are you accounting for the public support those “givers” receive? When a corporation receives billions in negative tax payments and pays nothing, does that make the a “giver” or a “taker”?
[quote=”sprite”]Show me how the Income Tax is an appropriated tax and I will shut up.[/quote]
The President, through the Budget Office, proposes an annual budget to Congress who makes the changes they deem appropriate. Then, a series of appropriation bills are sent to the President for his approval or veto. That’s how income tax is appropriated. Had you been there during your high school civics class, you wouldn’t need to ask.
Remember, you promised.
That’s right, sprite, every Friday afternoon, Timothy Geithner, the Secretary of Treasury, writes a check made out to “Banksters” for the entire amount of U.S. income taxes for that week. Not one dime of your income taxes or mine go to the military, education, health care, infrastructure, environmental protection, or the billions in negative income taxes that Scott listed. Every dime goes to the banksters.
By the way, I’ve looked into it much more closely than you. All state and local taxes are likewise paid to the banksters. They do love Fridays.
The fixed cost of driving ten miles to work, as a percentage of total income, is far greater for someone earning the minimum wage than for a high income earner. That cost is further exaggerated by the fixed cost of the gasoline tax which they both must pay. The same can be said for every other flat (read: “regressive”) tax.
If you think that the population generally is better off when minimum wage earnners are supporting their families on $4.00 per hour (take home) while a rather small strata are struggling along on $400.00 per hour, then you’re an apologist for regressive taxes. If, on the other hand, you believe that the society is healthier when income is distributed a little more evenly (just a little), then a progressive tax structure is more to your liking.
Me? I’d be happier if the President and Congress made the tax structure much more progressive and if that cost folks in my circumstances a little more of their discretionary income. True, I might have to go downstairs to write this on my iMac, rather than upstairs on my iPad, but if the United States’ many poor and undernourished children ate a little better, or if more of its 50 million citizens without health insurance got covered, it would be worth it.
Uh, “The Fair Tax [u]Act[/u]”, Victoria? This a bill that’s been passed by Congress and signed by the President? Or did Congress override the President’s veto? When does it take effect? Have I missed something?
Kwhite1, it’s only true that the famous 47% don’t pay [u]federal income taxes[/u]. They still pay federal wage taxes (from which the rich are largely exempt), state and local sales taxes (the ultimate in regressive taxes), gas taxes (also regressive), real estate taxes (regressive), excise taxes on things like phone service, etc.
All those taxes fall most heavily on low income individuals and families because, once they are paid, much less is left to sustain the lives of poor taxpayers than is left for the rich.
[quote=”sprite”]I will repeat this because it appears that nobody sees it or believes it; Income tax does NOT got towards infrastructure. It goes directly to the banksters. It is a theft by the banks of our wealth. It is part of the harvesting and hollowing out of our society. If you are happy to pay that tax to the criminals who confiscate it, then you are a dupe because it has nothing to do with the costs of maintaining the society in which you live.
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There’s an old saying that if you say something forty times, it’s true. The saying is wrong, sprite, and so are you. You can repeat that claptrap daily, hourly, or as frequently and as often as you like, cluttering up this or any other discussion to your heart’s content, but it will never make what you say true. Nor will anyone take you seriously.
Get off it and get a life.
(The reason no one believes it is that it’s nonsense. Just ask anyone who has ever driven on an Interstate highway or flown to or from any metropolitan airport.)
Taking my chances, I clicked on a couple of the pages that are listed. On one, it makes mention of the fact that adherents to this myth issue their own license plates. In fact, when one of them was stopped by two police officers for not having legitimate plates on his car, he murdered them both. Great company they keep.
I thought it ironic that these guys don’t want to pay their taxes but they’re plenty happy to drive on the roads their law abiding neighbors pave for them.
