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[quote=”costaricabill”]
David – You should know that this is no time to be using actual facts as a scare tactic! False claims and rumors work much better![/quote]Slap me, Bill. Just slap me!
For sure, no place in Costa Rica (or likely anywhere else) will be perfect for you, Lynda, but there are mid-sized Central Valley towns that are very livable. Three quarters of the population doesn’t live in the Central Valley for no good reason.
Temperatures depend mostly on altitude. The higher the cooler; the lower the hotter. Many folks find altitudes between about 3,000 and maybe 5,500 feet above sea level to be very comfortable. At 4,200 feet, we have neither heat nor air conditioning, never run our ceiling fans (wasted the money), and leave our windows open 24/365.
Humidity and rainfall, however, are another matter. In general, you’ll get six months of rainy weather just about anywhere. Somebody correct me if I’m wrong.
[quote=”sprite”]The US stopped making things decades ago when the globalists in the government shipped our manufacturing jobs overseas. [/quote]
Ah, but for a look at actual facts, see the following article from Industry Week, a source that actually knows what it’s talking about . . .
There’s a risk here. If specious arguments go unchallenged, if indefensible assertions are presented in the guise of facts without being challenged, otherwise uninformed readers may accept them as reliable, as true, when in fact they may not be. That’s why there need to be challenges to assertions that seem particularly dubious, so that others are not misled.
And as for Scott expelling anyone who challenges him, that’s pure nonsense. I have taken exception to things Scott has written on many occasions and I will again, I’m sure, but never has my privilege to participate here been in any jeopardy.
Abusive behavior falls into a different category from disagreement and debate. It’s an important distinction. Failing to understand that distinction could, indeed, get you bounced. Does that come as a surprise?
And I was right about your hyperbolizing. If you want to make a convincing case, you’re going to have to do much better.
So you’ve actually talked to thirteen growers. Well, that’s not much of a sampling is it? In San Ramon, there’s a group of growers who have banded together to follow Fair Trade practices. There are 550 of them. And then there are the Naranjo growers. And the Grecia growers. And . . .
Sounds like you’ve overstated the case, eh?
I just went to google.com and it took me to google.com/cr.
Youtube.com took me to youtube.com.
Are you holding your tongue right?
[quote=”maravilla”]i’m not playing your game. it wouldn’t matter if i knew 10 or 100 or 1000, you and that “other person” would say it had to be 500 or 5000 to be a valid point.[/quote]
You don’t know what my reaction to your hard facts might be, maravilla, so why not share them? If you know 1,000 Costa Rican coffee growers, how many of them have told you they wouldn’t even think of growing GMO coffee? If you know 100 (or even 10), how many of those have aired that determination?
Or are you making this up? Do you really know any at all?
[quote=”maravilla”] i know too many coffee farmers who wouldn’t even think of growing such a thing [GMO coffee].[/quote]
How many of Costa Rica’s coffee farmers do you know, maravilla? And what percent of the total of all of Costa Rica’s coffee farmers have told you personally that they wouldn’t even think of growing GMO coffee? Numbers, please . . . always the numbers.
(You know what’s coming next.)
Well, 98% of Americans are not dissatisfied enough to leave. It’s true that if 6 million leave and ten arrive the population would be down 5,999,990, but it’s not; it’s up. And why the influx of foreigners? Do they know something the six million don’t?
You’re right: “people are leaving for a REASON”. Likewise, people are arriving, also for a reason.
There will always be population movement, but without serious, in-depth analysis, we don’t know the significance of it. Raw numbers alone tell us nothing, so why quote them?
True, I suppose, but the six million who departed left some 314.69 million behind (November 2012 U.S. Census Bureau’s figure). That’s a net increase of 2.26 million Americans over July of 2011. What’s more, today’s news relates that one million new U.S. citizens were naturalized last year, so the net effect is dampened still more. Bottom line: There are plenty of folks left to buy gas and pay taxes.
By the way, in what time period did the six million leave? Was that last year? Last month? Since 2005? And how many of those were naturalized citizens who returned to the countries of their birth? It matters.
It would also be helpful to know the influx of people to the U.S. from Belize, Costa Rica, Ecuador and Mexico for comparison. Which way do you suppose it goes, more Mexicans coming to the U.S., or more U.S. citizens going to Mexico. Didya ever wonder why?
The newcomers contribute to the economy, pay taxes, etc, too.
[quote=”costaricafinca”]The tours offered are geared toward retirees.[/quote]
True enough, but most of the critical issues are the same whether you’re retired or not. That’s especially true regarding the costs of living here. The original poster has implied that the youngest child will be coming, too. If that’s true, then education costs enter the picture, but otherwise, they gotta eat, they gotta get around, they gotta have utilities and shelter, etc, just like us.
Our experience has been similar to crf’s above. We farm our coffee on shares with a neighbor. When there are expenses, we split them. After he pays the pickers, we split the profits.
We think the coffee plants are beautiful. Their roots hold the soil on our steep slopes. And the maintenance and picking provide our neighbors with some income. Those reasons alone are worth continuing to cultivate it.
Whether we’re making money or losing a little is anybody’s guess. We’ve never actually kept accounts.
