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This is the kind of sales hype article that gives real pros a bad rep. From years of knowing the Manuel Antonio area and having been a patient and a visitor to the Quepos hoispital (BTW – which stood empty for more than a year after iot was built because they built it before there was sufficent water pressure to service it – I thought it was a joke when I was told that – but it was true – more monkey bussiness (sorry couldn’t resisit).
So there you have it – a Costa Rica hospital which outside San Jose is code for “Glorified Clinic” no matter how big it is – Heart Transplant anyone? I’ll pass.
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I have had extensive experience segregating property in Riverside County. Mostly in Temecula. I still own almost 200 acres there. My point was that it did not take them long to create the plan. Now working within the plan is another completely different story.
My last post was written to prove a point.
One: That those who rely on emotional hot buttons to back their play get caught up in them and the conversation goes no where. Witness Aragon.
Two: That anybody can read anything into whatever someone writes, as I did to Alfred. Of course I know that was not a racist remark about “over the top.” But do you see how easy it is for me to spin it that way? So be wary of your own mind when it comes to interpreting the words of others. think about it first. Then think about it again.
I am not here to pick apart posts but to have some meaningful interaction – but when some people use the race card for their own purpose – well its despicable and always gets everyone off-point. Get over past injustice; get over the color of your hair, eyes or skin. – we all have the obligation to present our best self to the world and this is not done by being divisive by championing you and your particular race or class victimization.
Yes racism does exist – no we do not have to focus on it in this form.
Alfred you bought into that hoax??? See how easy it is to read in??
Ms Aragon your post exposes your hatred and most likely your envy. Envy of what? You answer that for yourself.
Don Diego – over and out of here baby!
Edited on Oct 16, 2007 10:36
It sure is annoying when you try to have a conversation about how to resolve an important issue and some people cannot leave their vacated culture behind them. I am sure that all the Irish people will be up in arms when someone uses the term “Patty wagon” as it was named after the police vehicles that used to haul away the drunk Irish (Pats) on Friday night. Grow up and get off your divisive horse. You see things separate because you want to see things separate. You derive power from the race card.
“Over the top” Alfred – What was that??? – Some veiled monkey joke about monkeys swinging over the top of other monkeys, while they are swinging over the top of trees! What, you have the NERVE to make a sarcastic monkey comment.
I am ashamed of you Alfred, please have the decency to compromise your integrity and say all the nice things we want to hear without regard for the truth or I am sure Ms Aragon will take away your membership to the ACLU, Young Democrats, National Organization of Women (or more commonly know as the Femanazis) or the United Negro College Fund. Hell they may not let you in to see Sicko or other such important flicks…
And you sure as S— do not want to offend the politically righteous among us – Now do you?
Or you get the reverse condescension – “Make no mistake, I’m a full blooded Latina and my nieces are Ticas blah blah blah – including the –I may have grown up in the US and truly love many thoughts that have come from this place, but I do not appreciate racial prejudice of any sort, anywhere. It sure sounded like a citizen who thought he came from more “civilized stock” talking about the savages in Costa Rica–well, with that entire “go back to the jungle where they came from” attitude, but I was very glad to read in your post that your words were not representative of your thoughts
“I may have grown up in the US” – Was that an apology for growing up in a place that probably taught you on the tax payer’s dime how to read and write – how dare you.
More civilized stock? Savages in Costa Rica – wow, why don’t you just read some concentration camp connotations into it while you are at it. (this is where the little nauseated face goes).
Some people are the queen of the “hide behind” or “lets be divided by” our race club. It’s narrow minded and divisive. But what has kept minorities seen as less capable is the fact that they look at themselves as minorities (powerless inference).
Nice little dity about Tico racism against there own too. What a nightmare. I am sure it exists to an insignificant degree (or are you inferring that Ticos are lynching Nicas – I can read things in to!). But like anything else the more you focus on it the more of it you get.
Anybody can read anything into whatever – if they try hard enough. So, I am sure your tirade against racism is all too politically correct and righteous, but since it is done in your self defense it is vain and boring to me, not to mention very shallow and out of place. You should be ashamed of playing the race card to defend yourself and all those hard things your family has gone through at the hands of the wicked US government to defend your ideology.
Reminds me of the first OJ trail. We could call this one the Monkey Trial. Thicken up your skin and get real. You claim to be Latina but you write and think Gringa/Latina probably depending on how it serves you or what company you are in. You are the perfect definition of why I don’t date Gringas – no matter their ethnicity.
“Promise not to mention my insult” – LOL – Nice try. Sure I will make you a promise and it has all the sincerity of a Del Rey girl talking to her man at 2 am on a Friday night. Pathetic.
Sprite,
“turning the pages of environmental studies into a monkey game”
You got the gist of the article and I thought the monkey thing was appropriate and I never thought of the racist angle untill Scott’s post made me reread to to see what was the offense.
Great point on worlwide population. That is the crux of the matter.
Hey Scott,
You know me – I love to get the blood pumping – however, after I reread what I wrote, I see it sounds racist – even though it was not meant that way. I don’t care if people are purple, orange, mauve or chartreuse. Incompetence in CR is everywhere; however I have seen a certain increase of competency lately.
Ticos, are well – Ticos! I love them for all their inconsistencies and for who they are. They are one of the nicest cultures and very fun loving. I guess it’s hard to have it all – fun loving, less ambitious – combined with competent and logical.
So I was admonished about how I write what I mean – a point well taken. It does read contrary to my intentions.
How about somebody commenting on the “answer” side of my post:
“make a plan for the whole country based on measurement – X amount from this area is “this” – X amount of this area is “that” – then when developers want to develop saddle them with the topography and the infrastructure costs – that’s how they do it in the US mas o menos, so developers would not be unfamiliar with the scheme. And the end price goes to the consumer.”
This would raise home product prices and less people would buy.
To all of Scott real estate people – would you support the “pass it on to the consumer” idea regarding saving CR greenery and species, even though it is a sure way to take air out of the market.
Listen… Do you hear anything? There seems to be a big hush out there among the real estate industry regarding a very sensible proposal.
I doubt if I will get any replies on this one – maybe it should be a topic for a thread.
“Let me remind you that “gringos” as you put it, are not the only foreigners in Costa Rica and US citizens are NOT the only people struggling for its conservation–many locals and other expats have done wonderful things for CR conservation and sustainable development there!”
Rebaragon – To me Gringos are any white foreigner in CR – you pick the nationality. Regardless some of the best get tossed for being too concerned. Was that a nice way of putting it?
CR gets very funny when you start to get too much recognition for your efforts and you are not Tico. It’s like a college professor who goes on vacation and the assistant steps in and does a better job, then the professor comes back and the dodod hits the fan because the assistant who really cares, has shown up the professor – who is a slacker. What happens – assistant gets fired even though the results are better for the students.
What word would you use to describe the above, Ms. Aragon. Well whatever it is apply it to the officials in the Tico government.
Condescending means to give the impression that one is superior. Well when it comes to setting rules – Gringos (Europeans, Canadian, Americans – (was that politically correct enough for you Ms. Aragon?) are all superior to Ticos. Are they not?
When it comes to genuine relationships, overall playfulness and civility – Ticos are superior to Gringos- are they not?
It’s called a Spade being called a Spade. Not enough political correctness? Political correctness for its sake – is divisive. Abuse anything, including political correctness, and it is counter productive.
The problem is balance. We need to balance away of protecting CR natural resources without creating a governmental monster. That is why I offered my solution – I have not seen one other potential solution offered here – just Ms. Aragon’s attempt to play the “Some one think they are Superior” card to stifle discussion, without adding a useful solution of her own. Through outlife you find the inferior and superior – that’s how it is – so I suggest if you want to progress, you accept that real world kinda stuff.
The “quick to be offended” card is one that is not only divisive, as we hide behind our own cultural insecurities, but it soon overwhelms all other constructive content because of the emotional attachment to social injustices done to classes and races of people – IN THE PAST. So why as a world, do we not leave it there – “In the Past” and get on with solving our important and serious problems with possible solutions.
How are we going to protect CR’s environment – anybody got ideas? Or just criticism of the messenger’s message?
Or should we leave it to the well regarded monkeys to figure out?
Face it … CR community leadership leaves a lot to be desiered and the best community leaders have been forigners. Take Samara for example – who is trying to save the aquafers – forigners. Who is responsible for zoning – Ticos.
If Ticos cared a bit more about their community on a local community level – we would not have this problem. You know me – I am pro Tico, however I have never been afraid to call a spade a spade. Ticos are short sighted, “take what you can get now and get out” seems to be the majority motto. Well I hope this changes and I have seen some reasons lately to be catiously optomistic.
Hey take it up with the goverment that cannot even produce a comprehensive plan for the Liberia airport – let alone individual plano reguladors for each beach area. Zoning is not complicated. I have seen a Riverserside county zoning map – which is prboally the same size of all the costal areas of CR, be developed in a year.
Since Ticos are not proactive in general, they always pay a higher price to correct what happens from their lack of action and their obvious inability to even define the rules let alone enforce them.
Love it or leave it. Its only a matter of years now and the way things are going if the concerned Gringos do not really step in and protect the enviornment then the proverbil S— house goes up in flames. If the Gringo steps in, the xenophobic Tico goverment offical is sure to throw them out of the country.
So what are you going to do.
I’ll tell you what – go butt-end in debt like they did for the Caja etc and make a plan for the whole country based on measurement – X amount from this area is “this” – X amount of this area is “that” – then when developers want to develop saddle them with the topography and the infrastructure costs – thats how they do it in the US mas o menos, so developers would not be unfamilar with the scheme. And the end price goes to the consumer.
This is perfect – less development because of higher end product costs means less peole and that means – more monkeys! Hey what did you come here for. To bad the monkeys run the goverment, they need to be back in the jungles with their realitives, not making important decisions. Once again – they act like kids playing grown-up games.
Keep your expectations low and you will not be disappointed!!!!!
What say you David M?
Hey Scott you do not have to defend it, you do a great job and you have my respect for it. Some get by. You should ask your people to submit more content rich articles. She (or you) could have simply retiled it and avoided the journalistic stinker. I guess I am sensitive to veiled marketing.
What kind of hospital is it – Caja or private?
If you know anything about the Quepos Caja hospital you know why I ask. The doctors suck for anything more than a minor injury and it is nothing more than a glorified clinic and a sales tool for RE agents.
I think what is interesting is the synergy between the public and private sector proposed for the Heredia hospital. And here is a short example for a nice way to package information:
“According to a World Bank document, the Heredia hospital to be built on its new site, 400 meters from the current hospital, is located on 11 hectares donated to a new private entity that will fund the hospital. The new Hospital will lease out its services and facilities to Caja patients and at the same time provide service to non-Caja (private) customers.
Now in theory, this is a great idea: state of the art hospital that serves public and private medicine. I wonder if they can make it work. Would privately insured customers go to the front of the line or would there be a private wing and a public wing, and then share specific facilities? Time will tell…. Regardless this will be a great and sorely needed addition to the community.”
That took me 10 minutes on the internet and a couple of minutes to write it. I think your contributors owe you and this sites readers more than that.
Both of the aforementioned cases were people that were “nabbed” for other things and both happened to be selling real estate – like about 75% of the country does (including…).
Amcostarica who does a fine job and is a community asset dropped the ball on their reporting when they slanted it to infer that these people were thrown out of the country for selling RE. The “I am a holy than thou resident who follows the rules” zealots on this board are frequently nauseating and I am sure the little crocodiles on their shirts agree.
It’s too bad that these types are here now. Its like the old saying “It takes all kinds.” The truth be told – it really doesn’t take all kinds – unfortunately they just all happen to be here.
Take the zealots lightly as practice and theory walk separate paths in CR. Just give the good little followers a pat on the butt and hope that they sicken themselves to death with their own US indoctrinated spew.
I happen to know a couple of people who have bought there. They are bitching about not getting their title. One of them hired a consultant and he retrived three properties from WLI all vested in seperate corporations. He got the clients their titles.
In theory I completely agree with Simon.
No one has proven that they have not recived title and there is no info I can find that WLI is being sued for whatever reason. Simon makes some very logical points – that have not been disputed by what I would call concrete facts.
Now would I buy property over the internet … dahh, guess not Beave, but the Eddie Haskels of the world sure do.
The thing about WLI is they solld 2 hecs for what $35K? Thats $1.75 a meter. Now we all know about location, location and did I say location? There are certainly no amenities in this area and the gulf water tides leave a lot to be desiered, but at a buck and 3/4 a M2, well those peole still have a fighting chance (I am trying to be catiously optomistic). Regardless Simon wins the “argument” hands down on logic and the fact that no ones has refuted his statements.
Even though I wouldn’t touch WLI with a 10 foot pole. Very insightful though – Simon you make an intelligent argument dog.
Bravo, Maiden, Bravo – now lets see if you get anything more than lip service – and if they are really going to refund your money. When you cash the check let us know, then its really a done deal. You are not through yet.
The prettiest part of the central valley is the north east side. Its ideal as you can drop into San Jose from the autopista that goes to Limon (20-25 min)and harley ever any traffic. The cities I recommend are San Josecito, San Isidro especially Conception de San Isidro, Santa Cecelia and Santa Elena (A bit cooler). This area is going off as upscale Ticos are buying hectare + lots (along with Gringos)and building estates.
Check Craigslist Costa Rica for rentals.
This area is by far the best in the valley as the air is the cleanest in the valley as the wind that passes through the San Jose valley travels from the northeast to the southwest. People who live in Santa Ana do not want you to know that on polluted days the pollution settles in Santa Ana (sorry Scott)as it is lower in elevation and on the southwest side of the valley. It’s a pollution basin at times, similar to the San Gabriel valley in S. California – but of course a CR version.
I’ve used first CR title and trust and they charged me $1,700 of a $3,000 retainer I deposited with them. When I contacted my usual attorney and asked what the price would be for the due diligence they did, I was quoted $250!!!! I demanded an adjustment and this was a 100 acre project with quite a few lots (20)and a lot of opportunities for them to make income. They would not budge, I demanded my retainer back and they gave me $1,300. They have a bunch of junior attorneys running around for them and they charge $125 – $150 an hour for it. Ridiculous for basic due diligence work at the registro publico. I think they suck (and I am being nice). I suspect the above post is a plant. I do not know anybody except high rollers with money to burn that has been satisfied with them.
