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Typical, cant defend your position so you get personal.
If i had to i would work a walmart. But since i have my own company (that i worked really fu#$ing hard to turn into a profitable business) i will go and oppress my employees and make a boat load of money.
When i am done i will report back to you so you can decide how much of it i can keep.
[quote=”aguirrewar”][quote=”kimball”]I dont know what Poland’s union problems in the 80’s has to do with this conversation, but if we must go there…. Unions are a big part of the problem. I saw it first hand when i was in the local 7, how the negotiating team would act like they owned the companies or something. They would brag how they were going to get us $1.25 this year and then $1.75 next year and another $.75 the following. I would ask them how the company was going to afford to pay us that and still stay competitive with other non union outfits. They didnt care. They just assume bust the company. Its crazy, we worked for the company, we didnt own it. And of course our company and the rest of them went under in 2 years.
Unions back in their creation were needed to stop brutal labor practices but those days are long gone. There are now enough labor laws on the books to protect workers.[/quote]
WHO??? gave you sick days!!!!
[b]We didnt have sick days. If you were sick all the time you got fired[/b].WHO??? gave you vacation days!!!!
[b]Vacation days ? Are you serious ?[/b]WHO??? gave you retirement benefits!!!!
[b]Retirement benefits that we all got screwed on from the union [/b]WHO??? gave you decent wages!!!
[b]Wages are determined through free markets. If you dont pay someone enough they work elsewhere for more. If you pay them to much your bottom line is hurt.[/b]I guess it was the company you worked for and not the Unions’
[b]Yes, but the union set the wage. Cant you do the math ? If all the non union comp’s pay their bricklayers $20.ph it is tough to make money (let alone get a contract) if you have to pay $25.[/b]In this time and age the Unions know how much PROFIT the Company does and 1/10th of it goes to the workers.
[b]Why should the union know how much money a company makes ?[/b]The Company went “BELLY UP” because of the Union??? HOLLY SHEET, the Union made the Companies decisions, NO! the Union made the price and competition, NO!
[b]The uniion sets the wage, and if it is not in order with all around them then they are done.[/b]The Union kept the company working until the Company made the wrong turn and down SOUTH did the company go and all the Union members.
[b]The company gets its own work, the union supplies the labor.[/b]Unemployment #’s just went NORTH, because of the Unions
[b]Is this a question or a statement ?[/b]I feel as though i should be charging you money for this lesson.
Hey man it sounds like you dont mind paying more taxes.
Will you pay mine too ?
I paid in almost as much as you made and i made a meager 150k.
I dont know what Poland’s union problems in the 80’s has to do with this conversation, but if we must go there…. Unions are a big part of the problem. I saw it first hand when i was in the local 7, how the negotiating team would act like they owned the companies or something. They would brag how they were going to get us $1.25 this year and then $1.75 next year and another $.75 the following. I would ask them how the company was going to afford to pay us that and still stay competitive with other non union outfits. They didnt care. They just assume bust the company. Its crazy, we worked for the company, we didnt own it. And of course our company and the rest of them went under in 2 years.
Unions back in their creation were needed to stop brutal labor practices but those days are long gone. There are now enough labor laws on the books to protect workers.
OH OK, keep blaming Bush. In the meantime Obama will put the final nails in the coffin.
You talk about tax deferments for corporate jets like that is going to balance our budget and reduce the debt.
Yeah i agree our tax code is Fu%@ked, and there are companies exploiting it but putting the hammer to a few rich at the top will not put a dent in the problem our country faces.
Everybody knows that Obama an GE are in bed together, right down to the slanted media coverage from NBC.
Do you think that Obama wouldn’t pay them back ? Just like the unions.
According to an April 2009 Congressional Budget Office report, in 2006 (the most recent data available) the top 1 percent of taxpayers made at least $332,300 annually and paid 28.3 percent of all federal taxes. The top 10 percent (earning $98,100) paid 55.4 percent. Meanwhile, the bottom 60 percent earned up to $47,399. They paid 14 percent of all federal taxes.
Regarding effective federal tax rates, CBO reported April 4 that in 2007, all taxpayers averaged a 20.4 percent tax rate. However, the top 1 percent effectively paid 29.5 percent, and the top 10 percent paid 26.7. The bottom 20 percent of taxpayers paid an effective rate of just 4 percent.
So, the idea that the evil rich pay less than their “fair share” is yet another lie. If it is insufficient for the top 10 percent to pay 70 cents of each federal tax dollar, what would suffice? – 80 cents? 95? 100?
I never said that i [b]will[/b] get these funds that i have contributed for 25 years and i never said that those pigs in Washington are [b]not[/b] running us into bankruptcy.
caliskatari, You say “Americans have been so accustom to having everything provided for them”.
I dont know about you but i provide for myself. Unless you are talking about life long welfare recipients (which is not the people reading this) you are way of base.
Dont forget that, how you say “checks every month” is money that hard working people have saved with these pig politicians for the better part of their life.
[quote=”DavidCMurray”]So American workers, even out of work probationers who are required to hold a job, won’t take the labor-intensive field jobs currently being occupied by some admittedly illegal immigrant workers who do, nevertheless, keep food on American families’ tables.
Tom Lehrer, the satirist, told us this would happen back in the sixties when he wrote a line in one of his songs, “No one but a Mexican would stoop so low.”
We were warned . . .[/quote]
When you say “labor intensive field jobs”… I take it you mean picking vegetables and such…And i agree that most Americans dont have what it takes to pick enough in a day to make a decant wage. The problem is where foreigners are gobbling up skilled trade jobs by the millions…and working for $2.00 per hour cheaper than the local guy who is more skilled. I dont hear anyone bitching about not being able to get a job picking vegetables but try to get a construction job or a food service job… good luck. If the US would adopt the same work laws as CR our unemployment wouldn’t be so high.
Like the new saying goes “Made in America…by a Mexican”
[quote=”Scott”]In order to discuss this why don’t you give us your opinion?
Scott Oliver – Founder
WeLoveCostaRica.com[/quote]I’m not sure either way. I am not an economic genius like you. I’m just a dumb bricklayer.
And why do i have to have an opinion to ask the question and start a discussion ? I Didn’t see that in the forum rules.
[quote=”sprite”]So far as I can tell, I am playing nice. I haven’t told anyone to shut up or to go away nor would I. I am just responding to a posting wherein an individual is looking to start up some sort of religious group in my stomping grounds, San Ramon. I have a stake in this and I feel compelled to weigh in. I would do the same if someone had the idea to start an anti-Israeli organization near me. I have a healthy mistrust extremists.[/quote]
A religious group in your stomping grounds. You make me laugh. I bet that philosophy goes over well in your neighborhood. Or maybe you dont have the balls to let your Catholic neighbors know of it.
I’m signing out of this thread and the sycobable contained in it.
Good luck to the original poster getting the info he is looking for.
[quote=”sprite”]Ha! I am sorry to hear that you learned a bad lesson in a bad way. Nobody every succeeded in shutting me down with a back hand slap. I imagine that would lead to more confrontation rather than less.
In any case, if I read here that somebody is looking to come here to join up with some religious group, I feel compelled to address the issue of his reason for coming here. He is adding one more voice to the insanity in the place where I am looking for peace and sanity. I have a stake in this so I will not shut up.
Now, if you want to post a recipe for apple cobbler or talk about a soccer game, I will probably not make any comments.[/quote]
Oh i see, You stop the religious practices of another man so you can feel more peaceful and sane. How many bong rips did you do before coming up with this interesting concept of religious persecution.
[quote=”sprite”]I don’t know about the motivation of others. I take every opportunity to attack superstition. People are entitled to believe whatever they wish but they are NOT entitles to a free pass. Opposing ideas or beliefs is not an insult. It is part of the scientific method, the way thinking, rational people arrive at truth. Religious believers have no special right to be offended when their silly ideas are confronted. They may not be obligated to defend those beliefs, but neither am I obligated to sit and be silent.[/quote]
Free pass on what ?
He isn’t looking for your opinion on his religion. He was looking for a certain group to join.
Since you are ignorant to the answer of that question you should keep to yourself.
Just like my mom would say “If you don’t have anything nice to say then shut the F!%* UP. Then a quick backhand to reinforce. Seems as though that technique wasn’t used in everyone’s household.
