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[quote=”davidd”][quote=”Scott”]Amazing eh?

And we are forced to pay for the privilege of applying for and receiving a passport….
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truly amazing .. but Scott.. the U.S. has a leg up on you Brits..

each new passport also carries a RF chip..

we not only are forced to pay for passport.. but we also have to pay to renounce citizenship when that day comes.

I wonder if the U.S. is actually the only country that one has to pay to renouce citizenship

now here is a good question for Swiekert :?::?::?:

Obviously I have not renounced, but have read the horror stories of folks who have. As I understand, the IRS does a full audit from your conception to see if there is anything they missed over the years. They also take a complete inventory of your worldly possessions and you are then taxed one last time. They know that is the last time they get to take from you so it will cost you plenty. The IRS signs off on your paperwork, if you still owe or cant pay, you cannot renounce.

I would think it is easier if you stay broke, then there is nothing to take LOL.

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[quote=”sweikert925″][If the topic under discussion is “What is the plot of Hamlet?” then Cliff’s Notes would actually be a better source of information.]

If you don’t think my comments are worthwhile then you are perfectly free to ignore them. But one of us actually posted a comment that concerned the topic under discussion and one of us posted a comment purely to take a potshot at the other – so who is lecturing whom?

You seem to be following the pattern of another regular who does nothing here lately except to wait for a post of mine and then hurl another insult at me. (He is obviously obsessed with me, and some private comments he sent me when I first joined explain why, but tact forbids that I say anything more).

You are perfectly welcome to post comments on any topic – including detailing my supposed shortcomings – but I suspect the other people who read this board for useful information about Costa Rica might prefer some of that firsthand knowledge that you have gained from living there instead. I know I would.[/quote]

Just we are cooking out of the same frying pan, I did not address you or comment on any of your post in this thread. You, my friend, are the one that said I guess I changed my mind? My post was not directed at you, to you, or about you but yet you felt compelled to make an off the way statement to me about what I think, obviously you do know better than me at what I think.

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[quote=”davidd”]Kwhite1

my friend just moved out of Belize for many of the same reasons you stated. Belize looks great on the surface but they have lots of issues.. and the problem is that there is no middle class there so your either a rich gringo.. or dirt poor.

you can’t blend in..if that makes any sense.

you should read up on http://money.cnn.com/2014/01/08/technology/john-mcafee/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tag/john-mcafee

pretty wild :D:D

Costa Rica is changing also my friend.. if you are able to NOT need to do any kind of business here then its a viable option..

you need to minimize your footprint here with regards to engaging with any bureaucratic agency here.. and live life.. its great.. but in 10 years this may change..

since your in your diligence stage.. look at other options also..

Too many Americans that are looking to leave the U.S. for some reason Costa Rica is always an option for them.. which causes its own issues..

god help us if Swriekert actually moves here LOL

just kidding Sweikert 😉

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I agree David, I read all of the Mcaffe post, he was a nut job from the beginning, he full on killed that dude. No other reason the flee the way he did. He passed within a 100 yards of me when he fled….chicken SH**.

Belize is is cool for me, I am happy with a hammock in the jungle, but my wife and daughter don’t feel safe walking around, it is true that the locals call them out if I am not there with them. But being such a small population, in our small town everyone knows I acquired a weapon permit (no small task mind you), and they leave them alone now.

I agree CR will conform to the US standards soon, but the crime is less than where we are and I can ride the pony until someplace better emerges.

I have an opportunity to be the developer on 2000 acres on the coast south of Jaco and north of Manual Antonio, not sure if I can pass that one up. It is an investor that has a lot of land here in Belize but feel CR is a hotter market. I can make enough to possibly retire on, so it is worth investigating. I am coming down next month for a few days to look at the property.

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[quote=”sweikert925″][quote=”Kwhite1″]Belize is fine, except the roads, and people getting shot outside my house (and I live in the same neighborhood as the Prime Minister!)[/quote]

Guess you’ve changed your mind about Belize since you posted [url=https://www.welovecostarica.com/members/cfmbb/messages.cfm?messageid=67CB19AC-24E8-5ED2-F1023952BA3A9768#67CB19AC-24E8-5ED2-F1023952BA3A9768]this[/url].[/quote]

I really wish you would lay off the free Obama handouts, the free phone, free food, free housing, and free medical have really warped your thinking. Oh And the economy is roaring back…isn’t it? Bow down to your savior….

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[quote=”davidd”][quote=”fishrman”]My Rica wife and I went to BN the other day to open an account in her name and they told us that we needed to prove where the $9k came from. As it was less than $10k did NOT have to declare at customs, but they still want to know where it came from, even though there is a complete money trail from US banks showing exactly where it came from. The U.S. is forcing these other countries,using fear and intimidation,into doing their dirty work. They are trying to force US citizens back home to continue extorting monies from them to feed the STARVING bureaucrats clamoring for an ever increasing portion of YOUR money! :twisted:[/quote]

It’s disgusting really and sad to say most of the sheeple of society will have nothing but to comply.. because that’s what sheeples do..

The only options is to find stable countries that are strong and independant and do not kiss ass to the U.S. like Hong Kong for example.

you can do your own research

http://www.forbes.com/sites/joshsteimle/2013/07/12/how-i-opened-a-branch-office-of-my-business-in-hong-kong/

I have 2 bank accounts plus 2 merchant accounts plus a few paypal accounts.. and I since I have no debt here in this country I use the debit card to withdraw amounts $2 to $3 per month..

I keep a year in cash buried in the event 🙂 with some gold and silver coins..[/quote]

I can tell you first hand that opening an account overseas if increasingly difficult. I was denied at Belize Bank first, then finally got to a bank that would take me, but not after jumping through flaming hoops, they wanted 2 bank references, a personal reference from someone who has an account there, disclosures about where the money came from.

Fact is, the banks are scared to death about the rath from the FED and find it easier not to deal with US citizens to avoid the FED dropping the hammer on them.

Davidd…..CR is still a possibility, Belize is fine, except the roads, and people getting shot outside my house (and I live in the same neighborhood as the Prime Minister!) I think family is ready to head a bit further south.

[Kwhite1]

[quote=”davidd”]You should try amazon.com and become a kindle author- I have friends that have 50 titles and make $5000 per month kindle sales.

or try adsense

or affiliate marketing

or lead generation for business

or CPA marketing

or work on a specific skillset and offer it on sites like fivver

or ebay craigslist

or PPC marketing

or video marketing

or membership site

or email marketing

or Blogging

etc etc

in todays world we are so fortunate to live in such opportunity and abundance.. its truly amazing!!!

the biggest challenge is these self limiting beliefs that stop any growth.[/quote]

David, what’s shaking my friend!! CR is back in the radar, belize is great I love it, but the wife gets spooked every time someone gets shot out side of our house. I told her not to be so sensitive about it, but if mama ain’t happy ain’t nobody happy….trust me.

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I think CR should invest billions of Colons into “green jobs”, it worked extremely well in the states….oh wait, no it didn’t, never mind.

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[quote=”davidd”]Sweikert

I know your doing all your diligence years ahead of schedule but I am curious as to why you cost Costa Rica as opposed to all other places.??

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HAHAHAHAHA…you’re killin me David!

In Belize it is called “breakbone” fever, same thing, but pretty crappy way to lose 10 lbs!

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[quote=”Scott”]I understand that some gay people are interested in this but don’t you think that this constant, globally coordinated obsession with this topic in all newspapers, magazines and TV is just a huge distraction?

Would you not agree that there are many other, far more important topics we should be discussing?

You know, little things like illegal wars, the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of innocent brown people in dozens of countries, massive poverty, incredible unemployment numbers where ([url=http://www.thedailybell.com/29358/Anthony-Wile-The-Danger-Beyond-Employment-Numbers]”only 47% of Americans have a full-time job and those who don’t are finding it increasingly out of reach”[/url]) and the now more-obvious-than-ever ‘police state’ conditions that people are now suffering in the “land of the free?”

Surely these topics are infinitely more important to both gay people and straight people, no?

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I didn’t think this was about to be gay or not to be gay, that is another issue that needs years and many bottle of rum to figure out. I was mearly pointing out that these moron politicians in the US and now CR don’t read the bills they pass. This is how we get all these BS laws in place under the radar.

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[quote=”waggoner41″][quote=”kwhite1″] Davidd, I amazes me how when the IRS/NSA was “investigating” tea party folks there was no problem. But when it reached out to Mr. & Mrs. America things start to get a bit sideways.

This is the exact reason for my departure, to a place that is very under the radar and does not have the resources to conduct such an operation. I’ll be in Belize on Tuesday if anyone needs me, hold my calls or better yet, let the NSA take a message for me (they might as well be useful while they are listening).[/quote]

It amazes me that any one of us is worried about the government listening to us.
We express political opinions but I have yet to see anyone here advocating terrorism or the overthrow of the federal government.
The government has no interest in our opinions, only any intended subversive actions we might be advocating.

Being overly concerned with the government listening to us is nothing but expressing fear.

Quoting FDR: “The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.” ROFLMAO :lol::lol::lol:[/quote]

I don’t have an issue with what they may or may not hear while I’m on the phone/computer. My issue is that they are doing it without just cause. If I was a known terrorist or had terrorist connections I would expect to be on someone’s watch list.

But John Q. Public is not and should not be on anyones list for no reason at all. I am sure they would treat any info gathered on folks with kit gloves and safegaurd that info…… I’m not ok with the cloak and dagger spying on someone who is has not shown to be a threat to national security. Just want to give a shout out to my biys at the NSA….wassss up fellas!

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[quote=”sweikert925″][quote=”kwhite1″]
Davidd, I amazes me how when the IRS/NSA was “investigating” tea party folks there was no problem. But when it reached out to Mr. & Mrs. America things start to get a bit sideways.
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Pretty much every word in that statement is wrong with the possible exceptions of “the” and “but”. However it’s too nice a day today to get into a tussle about it.

I do hope you’ve done your due diligence about Belize because according to the US State Department’s travel advisory website:

“Belize recorded 145 homicides in 2012, a record number. With a population of only 312,698 according to the 2010 country census, Belize’s per capita homicide rate of [b]46 homicides per 100,000 inhabitants[/b] in 2012 ranks among the highest in the world. While the country’s per capita homicide rate is still lower than that of other Central American countries, such as Honduras and El Salvador its year-on-year increase is of concern.”

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1055.html#crime

[The Costa Rican murder rate for 2012 just in case anyone is interested was [b]8.9 per 100,000 inhabitants[/b] and Chicago’s for 2012 was [b]18.7 per 100,000 inhabitants[/b]]

Since you’re always on about my doing something about Chicago’s murder rate I presume you’ll be tackling that problem once you arrive there.[/quote]

The murder rate is almost catching up to Chigago isn’t it.

Look at the breakdown of those numbers, out of the total residents of 300,000+, 200,000 live in Belize City and the surrounding towns. That leaves 46 killings amongst the rest of Belize. I’m not too worried. Better odds of survival than living in Chicago.

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[quote=”davidd”][quote=”sweikert925″]It would bother me to learn that the NSA has my phone number. It would also bother me to get blown up the next time I got on a bus or subway train. Of the two, getting blown up would bother me a whole lot more.

Here’s a thought: Why not move to some beautiful tropical country and concentrate on living your life and all the joys life has to offer instead of dwelling on all the real (or imagined) threats that may exist out there. Somewhere like, oh, I don’t know, Costa Rica maybe.[/quote]

sweikert925

I could not have said it any better and your 100% correct

all this lunacy from a country I left many years ago.. 🙂

dwelling on all the things that are beyond our control is useless.. and I am a big offender of that myself

I think sometimes it is better to live in ignorance and just deal with the things one can control. Life is too short to be even knowing what governments do or not do.

I am cutting myself off from all things political at this point unless its local here in costa rica

the U.S. will go down whatever path it may regardless of my feelings or disagreements.

so let them implode for all I care

I am going to focus on scaling the aquaponics centers and add some more solar panels to my system

and keep publishing my kindle books as this has now become a large part of my passive income.

I figure in another year I will reach just about 6 figure incomes between kindle and adsense.. and this motivates me.:)

I will also focus on building community of like minded people who share similar values and work towards support systems that can all support our community efforts.. not internet facebook communities but real live face to face people communities.

it is thru communities that will persevere as we slowly detach our dependence from the craziness of society at large.

thanks for this eye opener post

DD

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Davidd, I amazes me how when the IRS/NSA was “investigating” tea party folks there was no problem. But when it reached out to Mr. & Mrs. America things start to get a bit sideways.

This is the exact reason for my departure, to a place that is very under the radar and does not have the resources to conduct such an operation. I’ll be in Belize on Tuesday if anyone needs me, hold my calls or better yet, let the NSA take a message for me (they might as well be useful while they are listening).

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[quote=”imxploring”][quote=”kwhite1″][quote=”davidd”]Kwhite

well- according to Sweikert everything is hunky dory

and crime is down in Chicago

so we have nothing to worry.:D:D:D
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It is all hunky dory isn’t it? That’s what we have been told by the boys and girls in DC, they would not mislead us would they? Crime is certainly improving in Chicago, historically the first 4 months of the year marked 100 murders, this year they only hit 90 during the first 4 months. a .08% improvment!! Hell, I might even move there now….[/quote]

Thank colder weather and the price of bullets…. local Walmarts are even limiting your ammo purchases to three boxes a day in New York. But you can still buy cigarettes on every corner and at your local Walmart![/quote]

Whats the world coming to when the economy affects the murder rate, shameful. They need to stay commited and have some conviction! Don’t let the price of ammo deter you!!

Wal Mart in Fla has a 1 box limit on ammo. Thank goodness I had been buying by the pallet for a few years. When Wal Mart runs out they call me for a reorder, LOL.

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[quote=”davidd”]Kwhite

well- according to Sweikert everything is hunky dory

and crime is down in Chicago

so we have nothing to worry.:D:D:D
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It is all hunky dory isn’t it? That’s what we have been told by the boys and girls in DC, they would not mislead us would they? Crime is certainly improving in Chicago, historically the first 4 months of the year marked 100 murders, this year they only hit 90 during the first 4 months. a .08% improvment!! Hell, I might even move there now….

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[quote=”davidd”]Kwhite

How is the infrastructure in Belize with regards to internet.???

All I ask is high speed internet

6 to 12 meg down and at least 2 megs up

consistent and reliable.

and I can run my empire from anywhere.

how the middle class there??? can one blend in middle class and have a few nice things without appearing like a rich american???

this is also important to me.

how is medical???

sounds interesting

[quote=”kwhite1″][quote=”davidd”]The whole thing is pathetic and is disgusting.

but there is really nothing one can do

EXCEPT and this is the big one

pull up the pants sleeve and relocate somewhere else.

For all the expats that took the challenge and traveled the path least taken.

I salute you. 8)8)8)

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How’s Belize looking to you now? It’s a tiny spot on a map, not surging in anything, under the radar (except when they knock down a ruin to use as road fill…whoops).

That is what is so very appealing about it down here, you can kinda disappear.[/quote][/quote]

Best bet for internet is satellite, unlimited up and down for about $150USD a month. There are a variety of plans to choose from on the speed. The internet dishes are 1.6 meters? Typically about 50% larger than a direct tv dish.

Medical…certainly not as good as CR, but adequate. Major issues warrant you a trip to Belize City for better care and more providers.

Ahhh, the middle class (not sure there is a middle class). Most Belizeans don’t have much, they live a simple life. But it is very easy to “blend” in. A very non judgmental society, if you have something, good for you, don’t really covet things other than enough to get by on.

They do however, have a work ethic problem. It is a rare treat to get actual customer service, and it’s just not against the gringo, they do not discriminate, everyone gets treated with the same lazy attitude.

If you don’t need much, it is very easy to live off the grid so any power fluctuations would not affect you. Solar systems are relativley cheap, a whole bunch less than in the US.

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