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[quote=”jmcbuilder”][quote=”kwhite1″][quote=”Scott”]Jee! Jee!
If only it were true … “…large enough to swallow the presidential limousine….”
Scott
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Darn the bad luck…..you don’t need him there breathing up the air anyway.[/quote]
I had a discussion with a friend several years ago about the driving conditions in Costa Rica. After the all the arguments were made I think it was pretty even. Potholes keeping Obama out tips the scale. Keep the potholes. HAHAHA
There wasn’t any money to steal, he’s hunting richer grounds.[/quote]Maybe we should start creating potholes all around the place? I wonder if it would keep Wash DC away? I can dodge and weave the potholes much better than a limo! Way easier in a Jeep!
[quote=”Scott”]Jee! Jee!
If only it were true … “…large enough to swallow the presidential limousine….”
Scott
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Darn the bad luck…..you don’t need him there breathing up the air anyway.
[quote=”davidd”]Kwhite
don’t you know???
everything is going good according to David.
so don’t worry..:?:?:?:?:?:?:?
these 2700 military vehicles for homeland security is business as usual
[quote=”kwhite1″][quote=”DavidCMurray”]If you look back through recent history, you’ll learn that the sociologists (Robert Merton in particular) have pretty well nailed it. Civil unrest occurs primarily when the population is generally optimistic about the likelihood of change in their interest. That explains well the civil unrest that characterized the 1960s and 1970s the calm that characterized the decade of the Great Depression. For as long as the populace is pessimistic about the chances for change, they tend not to raise a fuss. What would be the point?
Without disputing the figures about the military hardware that the U.S. has purchased, it’s important to note that those expenditures have been mostly done in the guise of homeland security. The recipients have been state and local governments. When, for example, you divide 30,000 bulletproof vests among all the state and local police forces in the fifty states, you don’t end up with much of a concentration. The same is true for 7,000 assault rifles, etc.
In 2009, there were some 14,000 law enforcement agencies int the U.S. which employed some 708,000 officers. If you do the math, you’ll soon see that the country isn’t very well prepared for anything much less some tidal wave of civil unrest.
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That’s the issue, if the government tells you not to worry everything is fine, the sheeple listen and move right along. It will be interesting when they wake up in the very near future and all of the dollar bills they thought they had are worth 1/2 of the face value. But no worries right? They can just get in line with the rest for the EBT cards, watch what happens when those don’t work anymore…want a preview? When the EBT cards did not work in Atlanta a few months back, there were near riots at the gubment office. AND that was only a 24 hour delay.
It will be right along lines with the roving gangs in Chicago right now, just beating up everyone in the way. This will be coming to a city near you soon, don’t miss the action!
I like David, but the problem is people like him become very narrow minded and refuse to look at the real time things happening and refuse to look at a different point of view.
A quote ” Question with boldness”, does not mean to be nasty about it, but it is okay to question motives and further explanations. As I understand it, the government works for us, I think far too many people have forgotten that, including the government. I will just sit here and wait for the gubment to come knock on my door, I’m sure I am on a list somewhere, strickly because I own guns (a lot) and go to church. They no likey my kind.
[quote=”DavidCMurray”]If you look back through recent history, you’ll learn that the sociologists (Robert Merton in particular) have pretty well nailed it. Civil unrest occurs primarily when the population is generally optimistic about the likelihood of change in their interest. That explains well the civil unrest that characterized the 1960s and 1970s the calm that characterized the decade of the Great Depression. For as long as the populace is pessimistic about the chances for change, they tend not to raise a fuss. What would be the point?
Without disputing the figures about the military hardware that the U.S. has purchased, it’s important to note that those expenditures have been mostly done in the guise of homeland security. The recipients have been state and local governments. When, for example, you divide 30,000 bulletproof vests among all the state and local police forces in the fifty states, you don’t end up with much of a concentration. The same is true for 7,000 assault rifles, etc.
In 2009, there were some 14,000 law enforcement agencies int the U.S. which employed some 708,000 officers. If you do the math, you’ll soon see that the country isn’t very well prepared for anything much less some tidal wave of civil unrest.
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David, that’s all well and good, but what happens when the givers have nothing more to give or simply refuse to give anymore? The takers outnumber the givers at this point, when the givers don’t have more to give then everyone loses. Instead of being self sufficient and responsible for one’s actions, the takers are demanding more and the government is more than happy to demand the givers that they pay more of thier fair share.
If our USD is so great then why has China and Australia trading outside of the USD now? http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-03-31/thanks-world-reserve-currency-no-thanks-australia-and-china-enable-direct-currency-c
This is very bad news for the USD, the Fed keeps printing and deluting the USD while other countries are running frmo the USD. So much for a soft controlled landing, when it crashes there will be mass histeria, hence the ammo purchase.
[quote=”sprite”]Regardless of differing explanations we have for the current mess, many of us agree it is a big mess and many of us are angry and disgusted with what has happened and with what is happening.
What concerns me is the number of people who have no clue as to the seriousness of our situation.
Based on my conversations, it is my impression that too many do not understand that we lost our republic some time ago.
These people will do nothing to bring it back. The system will come down whether of its own weight or because the elites make it happen so that they can set up a new order (Ordo ab chaos)
After that happens, the same bad guys will return to power and all of us will suffer the consequences of the apathy and ignorance of those who ignored reality.
“You can ignore reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of ignoring reality” Ann Rand.
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Sprite,
Very true words there my friend. The main issue is that while people are busy watching Idol and the final 4 and (insert your show here), the MSM is touting a .0001 increase in anything as an economic comeback. The sheeple watch 29 seconds of the so called “news” and feel they are informed.
There are so many things wrong with the US now, on so many levels. Keep your eye on why Homeland Security has purchased 2 billion rounds of hollow point ammo (against Nato and Geneva for use in war), 2700 urban assault vehicles that have been distributed to major points through out the country. 7000 “assault rifles”, the very ones the gubment is trying to ban, 30,000 bullet proof vest? My theory is that they (Washington), knows what is coming, the devalue of the dollar will result in the EBT cards being over drawn, which will create riots in the cities. All of these “purchases” are for the riots that are looming, which the government will blame the working class and wealthy for not paying thier fair share, turning these dependants against anyone having a job. Marshall Law is declared, and finally America is turned into the vision the extreme left has wanted for a very long time.
Sadly, we will all be a witness to the decline of the USA. There will be no good times ahead.
[quote=”DavidCMurray”]Well, 98% of Americans are not dissatisfied enough to leave. It’s true that if 6 million leave and ten arrive the population would be down 5,999,990, but it’s not; it’s up. And why the influx of foreigners? Do they know something the six million don’t?
You’re right: “people are leaving for a REASON”. Likewise, people are arriving, also for a reason.
There will always be population movement, but without serious, in-depth analysis, we don’t know the significance of it. Raw numbers alone tell us nothing, so why quote them?
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David, to answer your question, why are more people coming the US than US citizens leaving? Simple, come to the US and poof, you get food, housing, medical, pretty much everything you need. Interesting though, US citizens moving to a different country, you get nothing, not allowed to work, no government assistance at all, AND you have to prove to the host country you can support yourself via bank deposits or proof of a retirement account deposited monthly into a host country bank account.
I assure you, that if the US implemented those regulations on Mexicans, Ticos, Belizeans, Panamanians, ect, the dash across the border would seize. Imagine that if the Mexicans coming across could not work, would not receive benefits right off the bat, they would not come over.
We have 51% of the population on some sort of government assistance. I am NOT bashing people on SS, or miliatry pensions. There are far too many people that work the system and make more money from the system than they can from actually working. The unemployment hourly rate is $26 hr, the average hourly rate for a job is $20 hr. Do the math.
[quote=”DavidCMurray”][quote=”kwhite1″]Assuming that there was no currency on the earth that had any value, then the dollar bills would be just dandy for firewood. But that is highly unprobable.
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[b][size=200]Aha![/size][/b]So you assume that there will continue to be a currency, a [u]fiat[/u] currency at that, since they’re [u]all[/u] fiat currencies (right?) that will have value. And just what currency will that be? The world’s bankers pretty much all think it’ll be good ol’ U.S. Dollars or they wouldn’t keep investing in them.
So now I’m hearing that you’re preparing to convert your metals, diamonds, etc to something spendable like (say) U.S. Dollars.
Why not just hoard Dollars? You look like a pretty big guy. You likely sleep on a pretty big mattress.
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Sorry to burst your bubble my friend. I am trying to get OUT of the USD. Not sure what you heard in my post, but I am not preparing to convert my metals into the USD. I think the USD is doomed.
You are assuming that whatever currency is valuable is going to be a fiat currency. Not quite the case in my opinion. I think currencies will have no choice but to resort to some tangible asset for backing, maybe it will be oil, or seeds, or little beads with holes in them. The fact remains, fiat currencies cannot and will not last.
I have been buying metals, (with USD), in preparation of the USD declining. I had posted earlier in another discussion the difference between the Colon and the USD exchange rate, the Colon has gained substantially again the USD, if the USD was the currency of choice, why would it decline? Why is Russia, China, and Iran trading outside of the USD for oil if the USD is the king of all currencies?
The problem with most is that they do not have the insight to realize that the reign of the US and USD is coming to an end. Most countries that dominated in world history did not last longer than 200 years, we are a little past that and losing ground fast.
I realize that living in your perfect paradise you do not have the advantage of seeing things develop first hand, you are limited to the internet and CNN for info on what is really happening. I will tell you, unbiased opinion, we are in a double dip recession, unemployment real numbers are in the 17% or greater range. The status of this once great country is as bad as it has ever been.
Busting chops aside, I volunteered to defend this country, willing to die for freedom, every home I have lived in I fly the American flag out front (still do). But I will tell you, I do not feel I could defend it today, things have change for the worse. Most people, citizens, don’t care about freedoms anymore, they are more concerned with who is winning on American Idol or the score of the game. It is a sad time.
[quote=”DavidCMurray”]Interesting points, kw1, but lemme just ask . . .
If you were faced with the option, would you prefer to keep your self warm and dry with (1)a gold ingot, (2)a cake of yellow cake uranium, or (3)a couple of million otherwise worthless one dollar bills? As you say, you could at least use the bills for shelter or firewood. Have you ever tried to get out of the wind behind a diamond?
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Assuming that there was no currency on the earth that had any value, then the dollar bills would be just dandy for firewood. But that is highly unprobable.
But if there was a currency of any value, or if my gold, uranium, or silver was perceived to hold some usefulness to someone, I would rather have the tangable asset. I can use wood for fires, and build a shelter. Although I would love to have a shelter built out of gold, then bling it out with diamonds. I bet I would be the only kid in the jungle with that!
[quote=”DavidCMurray”]Whether we’re talking about precious metals, gems, rare earth metals, or uranium, don’t they all have value only because someone else says so? In that respect, are they not just like paper money which, too, only has value because we all agree that it does? (Sprite, have you sent waggoner all your paper money yet?)
With very, very rare exception, those who hold any of those commodities cannot make any practical use of them themselves, can they? I mean, Sailor, what practical use can you put your diamonds to? Victoria, just what’s your plan to use your gold yourself?
I suppose you could fashion them into jewelry, if you had the skills, or you could use them in some industrial application (again, if you had the skills and knowledge), but the vast majority of us don’t have those skills and knowledge. And then there’s still the matter of finding a market, a demand, for the finished product (if it’s any good).
For your diamonds or my platinum to be valuable, doesn’t someone else have to want them? And isn’t whatever you can get for your diamonds a mutually and arbitrarily agreed upon value between you and the buyer just as we might mutually (and arbitrarily) agree that my dollar bill is worth your sack of potatoes?
I guess I’m not seeing a real world difference between the practical value of holding scarce commodities and holding money. Either one only has the value someone else imputes to it.
Or am I wrong?
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David, I somewhat agree with you, your possesions are only worth what you and the buyer mutually agree upon for the price or barter for that item.
However, I would much rather hold an item such as gold, silver, platinum, uranium, diamonds or the like, than a piece of paper like a Zimbabwe 10 million dollar bill. I would think your batering leverage would be greater on an ouce of silver than a worthless devalued paper currency.
I remember reading at one time in Europe the paper money was so worthless that people used it as building blocks or firewood. Wouldn’t it have been better to have a tangable material in your possesion than paper money firewood? Although, whatever you have is still only what someone is willing to give you for it.
Short of a world wide economic crash in all currencies, some countries currency will hold some value of some sort, to be used for some purpose of buying something you would need to survive.
[quote=”jmcbuilder”][quote=”VictoriaLST”]Uranium will poison you and darn quickly too. Not a good idea. The rare earths are a good investment – provided there is an industrial need for them, and there wouldn’t be if things collapse.
How about books? Gunsmithing, cooperage, soap making and other basic formulas?[/quote]
Agreed, Uranium is not for most but the worlds appetite for these types of rare earths is growing very fast. I’m not sure how yellow cake is handled. The Chinese are building 40 reactors. Does that scare anyone?[/quote]
Not sure if anyone would be interested, but there are EFT’s that offer yellow cake as an investment. Not sure I would jump onboard with that investment. With my luck, my piece of yellow cake uranium would be a dud and worthless and I lose my (soon to be worthless) USD.
[quote=”jmcbuilder”][quote=”Sailor”]Interesting post…..I purchase diamonds. Very easy to store in ice trays, in the freezer; cannot be seen and secure![/quote]
14 days to Tahiti, a nice sailboat sound great. Why not Uranium, much more valuable than gold. Kwhite, Costa Rica is a true gem don’t you think?[/quote]
Definatley a true gem my brother. Move over and make room on the bench for me!
I personally think silver is a better investment, gold (in my opinion) makes you a target. I also think if it is not in your possesion, it’s not yours. That rings true with paper money, metals, or what ever. Look at all the banks that closed up and people could not get access to thier money. I only use banks to hold enough $ to pay bills, other than that it is cash under the mattress. It is hard to move around houndreds of pounds of silver though!
[quote=”costaricabill”][quote=”DavidCMurray”]Geez, Bill, can’t you at least offer him an acceptable wine?
[/quote]The wine, as you know, is available as well, but the preliminary round or two will be cervesa or rum.[/quote]
I prefer cervesa or rum over wine anyway!! Not opposed to wine, but when the choice is there, beer me!
[quote=”costaricabill”][quote=”kwhite1″]I will say your country is very beautiful. I can’t wait to see the pacific coast today.[/quote]
Where on the coast are you heading? If you get up near Samara I’ll buy you a cold one![/quote]
Thanks Bill!! But I ended up heading south to Manuel Antonio yesterday, then we drove down to Uvita today and just got back to the Mango Moon (neat place if you have never been!)
I will however take you up on that for the next trip, we are narrowing down where we “feel” our next residence will be. Our next trip will be to the Northern Pacific side and the Arenal area. Should not be too long for our next trip!
I have a short trip to Belize early next month, but then CR will be the one after that.
David……I seemed to have switched over to Kolbi ICE? Does the other one shut down for the weekend? Yesterday I was on a different network…..interesting.
[quote=”DavidCMurray”]kw, I’ll bet that, if you delved into the technical details, you’d learn that Verizon’s international plan goes through some system that converts their CDMA signal to GSM in order to be compatible with the rest of the world. If you haven’t asked, let me be the first to tell ya that Verizon’s international service ain’t gonna come cheap. That, of course, is not to say it won’t work; obviously it does.
As to the traffic in San Jose, do you want to experience the full richness of the Costa Rica experience or do you not? If you’re daunted by a little traffic, just wait ’til you try to deal with the bureaucracy.
Wuss!
[/quote]I agree with the technical aspect of Verizon’s ability to convert to GSM. I pay a monthly charge of $20 USD for unlimited international data, that includes all email, text, and internet no matter where I am in the world. Not a bad deal in my opinion. Albeit the voice part is pricey, I’ll bet my 8 min conversation via voice yesterday was every bit of $20, but I had to smooth some wrinkles out back at the office.
David, I think the bureaucracy is on par with dealing with the permitting department back in the states. Nothing a little bit of patience, a fake smile, and a well placed $20 bill can’t solve. I will say your country is very beautiful. I can’t wait to see the pacific coast today.
