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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-bK8X2s1kI&feature=share
This short and powerful film is narrated by Jeremy Irons and drives home the inherent evil of any corporation to own the patents on seed with the agenda to control the world’s food supply. If you aren’t up to speed about the importance of the anti-GMO issue, this will give you a good foundation for understanding the basis of our fight. If you eat food, this applies to you.
maravillaMemberany packaged food has at least one GMO — either in the form of soy, corn, or HFCS. i don’t eat ANYTHING that is processed, nor do i eat in any restaurants because most restaurants here use soy oil and that is 100% GMO. chicken feed here is usually gmo corn if you buy the big sacks of it that are generally imported. i know all the farmers at the market — i know pretty much who uses what chemicals, and surprisingly there are lots of people who don’t use pesticides but they are not certified organic. i try to buy most of what i eat from the organic stand then supplement from other vendors for the items that have the least pesticide residue.
Schopenhauer said it best, Sprite:
“All truth passes through three stages: First, it is ridiculed; Second, it is violently opposed; Third, it is accepted as self-evident.”
? Arthur SchopenhauerFor anyone to deny this French study seems pretty irresponsible to me. just how much evidence would it take to convince a person that consuming a product that has no long term studies at all on HUMANS would be a prudent thing to do. if GMOs are so great, why are they banned or labeled in 50 other countries. the evidence to their dangers is there but as i always say, “you can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make it think!”
maravillaMemberbring the essentials with you. things you will need immediately to start your life here. everything else can be bought here — including really good Cuisinart pans, knives, utensils, etc. yes, they are a little more expensive, but so what? by the time you pay $100 for every extra bin you bring, you could buy really nice stuff here. 8 years ago it was hard to find do-dads for the kitchen, but now there are several big stores in my town that have the most wonderful glassware, plates, kitchen tools, knives, etc. and baking pans (imported from Spain — cheaper than what i paid for a similar pan in the US), and the most amazing thing i found here was 600TC sheets, organic too, at Wal-Mart (or maxi bodega). i brought down that which i needed to immediately set up shop — there was no way i could’ve gone around and found those same items because i didn’t have a car until just this year. but things have changed here and there are a lot more high-end items than even just two or three years ago. now when my husband goes to the States about all he brings back with him are chia seeds, extra vitamins, dog soap (although i found a better item at the local vet for half the cost!), and some nicknacks that i have stored in my shed at the other house. what i liked the most about doing things the way i did them was that i bought exactly what i needed for living here.
maravillaMemberpractice practice practice is the key. there must be a spanish language soap opera if you have cable in the States. the more you hear how they put things together, the more sense it will make to you. go to latin markets — almost every big city has a few and do your best to try out what you’ve learned. the more you try the easier it gets until eventually you are actually THINKING in spanish instead of thinking in english and then having to translate in spanish. that’s a lot of work. it’s so worth it.
maravillaMemberthe Caen study was completely independent. that it was picked up and published in many journals shouldn’t be surprising, and it is the only study that was done for more than 3 months. but i guess that doesn’t count for anything.
there have been NO studies at all done on the safety of these organisms in humans, we only have rat studies. there is absolutely no proof that they are safe. the general public IS the study. don’t you recall all the others things we were told by big corporations that were safe: cigarettes, DDT, agent orange, cocaine, heroin, antidepressants, Vioxx, Baytril, and the dozens and dozens of other products that were removed from the marketplace because of the health problems they caused to humans. i find it really frightening that there must be millions of people like yourself who can never be presented with enough evidence to show that something you believe in is in fact a danger to you. well, you just keep eating your GMOs and you can be the post-marketing study. And don’t believe everything you think. Punkt.
maravillaMemberlearn spanish — it will make your experience here less stressful. never say never — most of the people i know who moved here came with the intention of staying until they died. most lasted 2 – 3 years, a few a little longer. there are huge obstacles to overcome here — the culture, the mindset, the language, the bureaucrazy. bring lots of patience with you when you come.
maravillaMemberVictoria, you can believe whatever you want. You don’t think it’s significant that the tests monsatan did were only for 3 months, and yet all the side effects began to appear at 4 months? well, isn’t that just so convenient. the Caen study was well done, and well documented, but for people like yourself, there will never be enough evidence to convince you that inserting a Bt toxin in YOUR food is going to have any adverse effect. please, you can have my share of all of these GMOs. Science is NOT emotional. This video was NOT emotional, it was presented as evidence about the study. Did you watch Genetic Roulette or The World According to Monsanto? no, i bet you didn’t. why get more information when you’ve already made up your mind that GMOs, including round-up ready and Bt crops, have been in existence for thousands of years. sheesh.
maravillaMemberThe 3 year French study condensed to a 12 minute video.
maravillaMemberthat is the study that i read, which has been all over the news for the last 4 or 5 days. more than 2/3 of the population of the US is fat or obese. the greatest % of increase in girth has occurred since the introduction of GMOs. but that is another topic. to my knowledge, there have been no longterm studies proving GMOs are safe, and in fact, there are plenty of studies to prove they are not. hey, i don’t care if anyone wants to eat this stuff. but it has to be labeled. that is the fight right now. and that is not unreasonable, and if they are so safe why are countries prohibiting GMO crops, or destroying them when they are imported — hell, even the haitians, who were starving after the earthquake refused to eat GMO corn. it’s a hot topic for sure, and the biggest problem is that people don’t understand the issue with Bt, or terminator seeds, or round=up ready seeds. call me crazy, but i don’t want to eat something that was bathed in round-up, or has a potentially lethal toxin introduced into every cell. so the tipping point will come after the vote on Prop 37 in California. vamos a ver.
maravillaMemberwell, they ARE dropping like flies. Have you seen the “Weight of the Nation”? The US is the fattest, and most unhealthy — we eat more junk (most of it made with GMOs) and take more pills than any other country on the planet, and all the illnesses related to obesity are breaking the backs of the healthcare industry. there are many well respected scientists who believe part of the obesity epidemic is related to the ingestion of GMOs. I don’t know very many people — maybe one or two — who are my age who are NOT taking pills for indigestion, cholesterol, high BP, and a variety of other mysterious ailments that doctors don’t even know how to treat. Look at what the average person eats — it’s really no mystery to me why they are all sick. I would question the funding of the study that contradicts the French study. Look what Cargill just did with the Stanford study saying that organics weren’t all the nutritious. follow the money, as they say.
maravillaMemberit’s a promotional thing — you can buy a copy but they were offering it for free for just this week. it’s really well done and very worth your time to learn everything you may not have already known about GMOs. i just saw the letter to the editor in AM Costa Rica regarding this issue, and yet again, people are getting the GMO technology totally WRONG! this is not what we have been doing for thousands of years. this is new, and it is deadly. sheesh.
maravillaMemberBefore you leave California for Costa Rica, please vote yes on Prop 37 so at least they will label products with GMOs so people can make an informed choice to either eat them or not.
maravillaMemberand then there is this longterm study just released.
http://www.takepart.com/article/2012/09/19/gmos-give-rats-huge-tumors-organ-damage
i am sure you are a very nice person, victoria, but you are woefully misinformed, uninformed, and are proffering a stance that is contrary to everything that is known about GMOs. because this issue affects everyone, and the future of all food on the planet, don’t you think you owe it to yourself to be fully informed so that you can speak intelligently on the issue?
maravillaMemberyou are still presenting a specious argument with incorrect terminology. it is clear that you do not have a good understanding of the issues and that the opinion you offer is not based on research, but rather what you have chosen to glean from the corporate party-line. there is no starting point from which we could have a discussion, but i would like to suggest that you watch at least one of these films to get some clue what you are talking about.
http://geneticroulettemovie.com/
http://www.filmsforaction.org/Watch/Food_Inc/
http://www.filmsforaction.org/Watch/Food_Matters_2008/
http://www.filmsforaction.org/Watch/The_World_According_to_Monsanto/
http://www.filmsforaction.org/Watch/Genetically_Modified_Food_Panacea_or_Poison/
maravillaMemberwhere exactly do you have to pay this tax if you had to pay it in person?
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