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frettless, Excellent point!! I want to move so bad I can taste it but myfundsalo. Soon as I can figure out how to pull it off, I’m outa here. Not because I don’t like the US but because I love CR.
PS are you a bass player or one who has no worries? (re: “frettless”?
I hear you moon. All to ofter we hear what we want to hear. While I have my own leanings like anybody else, I try hard not to get caught up with the Kool Aid for lunch bunch, demonizing anyone who may have a different point of view. I see this as a tool to control the masses for the benefit of power seekers. I have no fear of being influenced by logic and I take a lot of heat for my attempts at objectivity. In my personal experence, an honest exchange of ideas where we can both learn and teach is a rare bird indeed. ‘Jus my opinion.
PS. Sprite and I did part friends and there is definitly something funky in that south Chicago water.Fair enough sprite and duly noted.
I understand your feelings about “fence sitting” and agree it can be a negative. I do have definite positions on most issues but over the years, I have been known to change somewhat when more information of life experience comes my way. Just like in sales, nobody wants to be sold but they will gather information and sell themselves……one way or the other. One of my endeavors is selling political paraphernalia and I’ve had to separate my own political views from my merchandising somewhat or I would be losing business so I suppose I’ve had a lot of practice pretending to be neutral.
Cheers
sprite,
At last, something we agree on! I too love Costa Rica but due to extreme financial difficulties, I can’t move yet. While I appreciate your passion for your point of view, I would prefer a debate where calling others stupid just because they have another opinion wasn’t in the mix.We can all gain much if we would at least respectfully disagree. The US government system is full of checks and balances to make corrections and as long as that stands, we’ll be OK. Like you, my desire for CR is not anti-US but pro-Costa Rica. I wish you well and hope I can join you there.maravilla,
Though we may not always agree fully, you are a joy to banter with!editor,
While we also may not agree fully on some points, I enjoyed you post. It was well written and you made some very good and valid points (in my humble opinion). Thank you! I personally don’t hate anyone for political reasons, even if their politics and actions disgust me. Keep in mind 2 things. Bush’s support came from more than just the fringe crazys and there are pleanty of fringe whackos on the left too. Personally, I cannot get on board with fringe groups from either side. Some say tolorance for another point of view and being open to considering them is a sign of weakness. I respectfully disagree.Pura Vida to all!!!
Maravilla,
You make some good points and we are mostly in agreement.Sprite ,
Your statement below strikes me as an angry personal attack disguised as legitimate banter. Perhaps I’m mistaken. Furthermore, you have combined two of my unrelated statements together in order to do so. Let me help you out. The morality statement had zero to do with Bush lying or not. It was about the war itself.. If you have to twist my words to make your point then you have a weak argument.
“If morality is a matter of personal opinion, then what do you call someone who has no personal opinion as to whether Bush lied or not? Immoral? “
One can have opinions all day long but facts are facts.
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As for your second non argument you have done it again. You’ve combined two unrelated points in order to challenge me. My “time will tell” statement was with regard to the strategic value of the long term effects of the change in Iraq and its effect on the region. It had nothing to do with my question “was it good for the Iraqi people.” “Only time will tell”? I don’t know what time frame you live in, but most people live in the present. And the vast majority of the Iraquis are suffering horribly in the present.I suspect they don’t care about time telling them anything they don’t already know.”
I have no problem with respectful disagreement but either you don’t understand my point of view or you’re so passionate that little details like what I really said are not important to you.
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As for your closing line;
“Legality, in your own words, is for the legal experts. So let’s have this impeachment”
That’s OK. Investigate away but remember, the accused must be found guilty before the hanging in this country.
PS I’ve noticed that you’ve chosen to remain silent as to the shared culpability of Clinton, Blair and everyone else who may have “lied” about WMD’s. Why is that?
Respectfully,
MilesSprite, although I have a great deal of respect for the concept of common sense, I still prefer facts when it applies to legal matters. (I know, I’m a freak) “The World Court of Common Sense” can often be mistaken for the “World Court of Public Opinion”, which can be driven by emotion, personal agenda and a biased media in place of facts and therefore may not always be accurate in matters of legality, but since you brought it up, what does the court of Common Sense have to say about all the other figures (Clinton’s, Kerry, Blair, et al) who made the same ascertains, some long before GW Bush took office? If one chooses to ignore these facts, I would have no choice but to see their passion as agenda driven.
I think Maravilla’s take is more logical and fair minded in this matter. Nobody in their right mind likes war but consider these questions:
1) Was the Iraq war morally right? – A matter of personal opinion
2) Was it strategically a good move? – Only time will tell.
3) Was it good or bad for the Iraqi people? – Ask them
4) Was it legal? – Considering the wordage of 16 legally binding UNSC resolutions against Iraq, at least 30 statements from the President of the UN Security Council regarding Saddam Hussein’s continued violations of UNSCRs and the easy passage of HJ RES 114 it sounds legal to me but if there’s any doubt, that should be decided in a real court of law, not the “World Court of Public Misinformation”
sprite,
First let me say that I have no political agenda here. I’m neither out to get Bush nor an apologist. I simply want the real truth, unadorned with spin. If W actually acted unlawfully, I say go get him. Same goes for the Clintons, Tony Blair, the UN, etc. I neither have the time or the resources to fully investigate these claims and I doubt that you do either so I leave that to others more qualified. I do however believe that there are enough people out there with the resources and the agenda who would pursue what ever they could prove. We all know that it’s common in politics to make vague or baseless accusations just for the titillation factor, never having to prove anything but still gaining brownie points. Is this the case here? I don’t know. I do know that with regard to WMD’s, the Clintons, Tony Blair, the UN, Germany and many more were, and had been for some time, in agreement. Why aren’t they mentioned? If Bush lied about WMD’s then it had to be a vast global conspiracy. Why is Pelosi not interested in pursuing impeachment? Why did Congress effectively shelve the move?
At this time, they whole thing smells like a political song and dance to me. Congress (on both sides) seems to be more interested in preserving their cushy good ‘ol boys and girls club, than doing anything meaningful for the American people.I’ve got to agree with Scott about the “sorry excuse”.
I like to discuss politics and even market political stuff on the net, (both liberal and conservative), but I go to Costa Rica to get away from things like McDonalds, Starbucks and the crazy world of partisan US politics. However, since you brought it up, the Republican haters have been after Bush since the day he took office, fueled I’m sure by resentment over the Clinton thing. Considering the known facts, Kucinich’s (D-OH) articles of impeachment seem to be more political posturing to the fringe left than an act of good citizenship and unless they prove to have real merit, they will most likely die on the vine. Seeming to agree, the House voted to send the articles of impeachment to a committee (a procedure often used to kill legislation) and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi long ago declared the prospects for impeachment proceedings “off the table.” Time will tell.
Now back to Costa Rica!!
Pura Vida
