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And I repeat; Money corrupts everything it touches and everything is touched by money. Until this monetary system of engineered scarcity is dismantled or self-destroyed, this maxim will remain in effect.

The powers-that-be have turned science into a sort of religion and they use it just as they have used other religions to sway public opinion. This is not difficult to do when you have a dumbed-down public and people in the fields of science who must find a way to survive in a monetary system.

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Money corrupts everything, even truth. Science is no exception. The root of all evil is also the root of GMO plants. Here we have yet another example of how monatized economy based on manufactured scarcity can be lethal.

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[quote=”john c”]This about sums up why I’m leaving…

http://fight4freedom.net/index.php/executive-orders

Also, the dept of homeland security just purchased over a BILLION hollow point bullets. This is a DOMESTIC agency. I guess they are expecting the terrorists to do a Normandy style invasion on Ellis Island sometime soon. 🙄

I know one thing…hollow points aren’t used for target practice and they are illegal to use against our enemies, per the Geneva Convention. I’m sure everyone can figure the rest out.

Get out!!!
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You for got one interesting little piece of recent news. FEMA appears to be mobilizing for “Mass Fatality Planning”.
http://www.infowars.com/fema-to-mobilize-for-mass-fatality-planning/

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[quote=”DavidCMurray”][quote=”sprite”]I think it is a fine line between obsession and focus…and also between carefree and apathy.[/quote]

Yes, and you cross all the lines.
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At least I am awake and aware….

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[quote=”hakesp”][quote=”hakesp”] wrote:

The less voter interest, the more the politicians feel free to do whatever they want for their contributors. .[/quote]

To add to my own post: If you believe that the US government would cut SS for those living abroad, then you need to run not walk to vote. Because groups that don’t vote are always disadvantaged in the political process.[/quote]

Please wake up. Voting will change nothing. The powers that be have made it impossible to vote against the interests of Goldman Sachs. The current system in all of its aspects must collapse into dust because it cannot be fixed, adjusted, tweeked or in any way made to work for us.

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hakesup,

I will look for the articles to substantiate. In the meantime;
How about let’s first look at the basics of this criminal transaction between government and banks. See if you can follow this;

Phase I (happening now)
The Fed (the banks) creates an undisclosed amount of new digital currency from thin air. It lends this currency to the government at interest. The government takes this currency and buys from the banks the toxic mortgage securities on the banks’ books at 100% listed value.

Phase II (proposed)
The government turns around and sells these very same securities back to the banks at a fraction of the 100% value it paid for them. The banks then proceed to foreclose on the homes.

Phase III (pending proposal)
The government passes legislation making it a criminal offense for a borrower to strategically default on a mortgage ” loan” even though contractual law allows such defaults and even though the “loans” are collateralized.. (the loan is backed by the home) and the bank gets the home anyway in foreclosure.

This is crazy! The people get screwed so many times over one loses count.
1. The Fed devalues the currency when it creates trillions in these quantitative easings
2. Taxpayers pay income taxes so that the government can make interest payments to the FED for the new currency it created from nothing and to cover the cost of gifting of the securities back to the banks .
3. And finally, to add insult to extreme injury, borrowers might be jailed for their inability to pay off a mortgage “loan” after losing income due to the banks destroying the economy.
This is outright class war against working people by the criminal elites,

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My advice, when having to deal with SSA-do as much online, keep all communications, go in person when possible and expect long waits, lines and very rude and arrogant people (either the culture and/or the burden of paperwork)[/quote]

I believe you but, believe it or not, I had the opposite experience in Miami. The clerk with whom I spoke in person was extremely polite and informal. Maybe I was lucky, huh?

As far as waiting is concerned, I am pretty sure it is nothing like the long waiting for anything in Costa Rica.

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Waggoner,

Sometimes when something is broken, it cannot be repaired. It has to be scrapped and replaced. The US government is not some lame mare to be put out of its misery. It is a monster with a noose around our necks. It’s intent is pretty obvious. All your voting and grass root revival will only decide the color of the rope, not how it will be used.

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I think it is a fine line between obsession and focus…and also between carefree and apathy.

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I don’t know why Palestinians don’t shoot every Zionist they come across. This is an incremental, planned genocide by the Zionists…acre by acre of land, life by life of the Palestinians. Slow kill. Just like the US did to the native indians.

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I do not worry too much about over population. The elites have plans and always have had plans to deal with us “useless eaters”. Every once in a while (and lately all the time) they give us wars and murderous poverty. First comes the poverty via the bankers and puppet governments to thin the herds with hunger and disease. Then come the wars to distract the already thinned herds from taking vengeance on the elites.

I don’t think over population is the cause of environmental degradation. I think that is caused by corporate domination of the planet. Unregulated capitalism converts everything, including people, into a monetary value…all to be exploited for profit until there is no more.

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[quote=”DavidCMurray”]Interesting stuff, sprite. Please say more . . .

What’s the specific data that proves, “We are NOT in a recovery.” (Specific data . . . numbers)

And exactly, precisely do you mean by “default”? What are the data that demonstrate that “The US government has already gone into default.” Just what do you mean by “default”? What’s the source of your hard data? What are the numbers?

How can you predict in advance that something (anything) “. . . will NOT happen”? What’s your proof? And when won’t it happen? 2014? 2024? 2114? 2124?

What is the exact “. . . limited lifespan . . .” of Social Security once this inevitable collapse happens? What will happen if the funding mechanism, eligibility criteria, benefit formulas, etc are changed? What if only one? What if all three? Please give us a date specific.

If you think that a vote for one or the other party makes no difference to you, to me, or to Goldman Sachs, then don’t vote. You have every right to abstain. My guess is that it’d be better for the outcome.

If “Many . . . are already crowding for the exit . . .”, just where are they headed — specifically? And how many? Surely you must have numbers, right? You wouldn’t just make this stuff up, would you? (This isn’t the “headed for a new life on a distant asteroid” bunch, is it? Or maybe it is!)

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David,
You must be spending a lot of time with your back to the world or your head in the sand because none of these things take much time to research.

1. Recovery: http://www.globalresearch.ca/gap-between-rich-and-poor-is-widening-the-us-poverty-report-and-obamas-economic-recovery/
The poverty report released Wednesday by the US Census Bureau is another shattering refutation of the Obama Administration’s claims to be overseeing an economic “recovery” and working to improve the lives of ordinary Americans.
The report revealed that the ranks of those classified by the government as poor remained at record highs in 2011, while the gap between rich and poor widened further. Some 46.2 million people remained below the official poverty line in 2011, the highest number in more than half a century. The 15.0 percent poverty rate, essentially unchanged from 2010, was the highest since 1983.

2. Bankruptcy is a legal status of an insolvent person or an organization, that is, one who cannot repay the debts they owe to creditors.
http://fskrealityguide.blogspot.com/2007/09/did-usa-declare-bankruptcy.html
In 1933, President Roosevelt formally declared bankruptcy to the US public. He told them that the US government was defaulting on its promise that dollars were backed with gold. He demanded that US citizens turn over their gold in exchange for worthless dollars.
Corporations can continue operations even though they are bankrupt. As long as enough interest payments are made to satisfy the creditors, operations may continue. Corporations can operate for years while in bankruptcy protection. As long as the creditors deem it to be in their best interests, they allow operations to continue during the bankruptcy reorganization.

Similarly, the US government has continued operations even though it’s formally bankrupt. Technically, the US government has ceased to exist. Its current operations are one protracted bankruptcy proceeding. Its operations vaguely resemble its original structure, so the details of the formal bankruptcy are kept hidden. Interest payments (income taxes) are made to the creditors, so operations are allowed to continue. The US government is allowed to continue to exist with permission from its creditor, the international banking cartel.

3. Americans leaving US in record numbers
http://rt.com/usa/news/leaving-us-america-country-289/
Ever dream of leaving it all behind and heading out of America? You’re not the only one. A new study shows that more US citizens than ever before are living outside of the country.

4.Social Security systematically destroyed by the Federal Reserve
http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/the-federal-reserve-is-systematically-destroying-social-security-and-the-retirement-plans-of-millions-of-americans

And finally, it is my position that voting is worse than a waste of time. Voting just encourages the crooks in Washington DC.

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[quote=”beansandbooks”]So many interesting, well thought out comments. That’s one of the reasons I enjoy this forum so much. As for me and mine, I saw the financial cliff coming some time ago and reasoned that there had to be a better place to ride it out, which led me (us) to planning our escape to Costa Rica.

So interesting that in the US we have only paralyzed politicians that know, in the end, the only way out of the mess, or at least to make a dent in it, is to have the public kick in and contribute. No one has the stones to say it as it would cost them their seat in whatever body the are in. If I was asked to kick in $500 a year, or whatever, and if the rest of the country was particpating to whatever extent they could, I would not like it, but would do it to save what’s left. Never going to happen, though. Another novel thought would be to sell debt bonds (ala WWI and WWII bonds) but nobody is smart enough to do that, either.

Just like when a person runs up a credit card and the balance gets big, the only way to knock it down is chip away at it as best you can. I think a few of us may have been there before and it hurts a bit, but when the balance goes down or hits Zip, life is better.

Too little, too late and I fear the worst, by far, is yet to come. Give us a President and a congress with stones and we may have a ghost of a chance of not being financially trampled.[/quote]

Any money those criminals in Washington get their hands on is given directly to their criminal friends on Wall Street…the same crooks who have been harvesting this country and its people for decades. Why on earth would you want to volunteer any of your hard earned wealth to that mafia government and elite? They are going to take it from you eventually anyway if you stick around long enough.

Get thee hence from the vortex of this collapse and find a place to burrow and hide on the fringe of the empire. I am in a big hurry to do this as well.

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We are NOT in a recovery.
The US government has already gone into default.
There is no way that an economic collapse will NOT happen.
Social Security has a limited life span once that collapse happens.
It is a total waste of time voting for the criminal class of US politicians because there is no way to vote against the interests of Goldman Sachs.

The game is essentially over but a lot of you do not know it yet. Many do and we are already crowding for the exit before TSHTF.

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How is a strike from an unseen drone materially different from (say) a 747 strike?

When American citizens ally themselves with that enemy, that behavior, they have no right to expect more consideration than they afford.

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David,
AL Qaeda is a western asset, used covertly (Serbia, Afghanistan, Iraq) and openly (Afghanistan, Libya, Syria). This is now in mainstream news. How is it terrorism if a citizen allies himself with this CIA asset?

By the way, the new bailout plan (quantitative easing infinity), in which the government buys up junk bond mortgages, is now also in the mainstream news. It is posed that the Fed plans to criminalize any delinquency, default, foreclosure or short sale. This way, the banks reap property from citizens who default on mortgages and then they reap the fruits of prison labor when citizens are jailed. Debtors’ prison is coming back in vogue. (At least the US will then be able to compete with Chinese slave labor.)

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