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I know the logic of my point of view is valid and prevails when opponents can only counter by redirecting the discussion to personal attacks. For me, that signifies the end of the discussion since I know the opposition has run out of ammo.
This thread is about prostitution in Costa Rica and human sexuality in general. So let me state the obvious: All of us are products of the macro and micro cultures in which we were nurtured. How you were raised as a child and influenced as an adult determine your attitudes and beliefs. Human behavior is not a matter of innate good and evil. It is just a result of environment.
So some of us change our environment and move to Costa Rica where prostitution is legal and where the women are particularly attractive…. and it raises some questions. I am an old dog and new tricks are out of the question. So I look at men who come to Costa Rica, or to any other destination, for sexual adventure, as sexual addicts no different than drug addicts. They deserve treatment and re-education, not condemnation. I see paying for sex as a problem of the sexually addicted and I have no stake in this other than as a subject for discussion.
And I agree that America is a dysfunctional culture but sexual repression can only exist in sexual addicts and prostitution can only exist where there are sex addicts. If so many were not driven by a pathological, urgent need for sexual gratification, the prostitutes would have no business and men would not marry for sex.
So there ya go, I have solved the problem and everyone should be happy now.
Versatile, you did NOT read what I wrote. Sex is normal and healthy in the the context of its purpose which is procreation and the keeping together of parents to raise their offspring. It is when sex is taken beyond its natural parameters that it becomes abnormal and immature. You can call me a “piece of work” if you like, but I am not the one complaining about paying for sex, am I?
Making a personal attack on me rather than answering my points pretty much shows us how bankrupt your position is.
Women over 40 should avoid pregnancy as there is a much higher risk for problems. And those couples who have children tend to cut way back on sex for a lot of reasons. THAT is the real world! Your attitude is a typical product of a sick society. If you want a good example of how a sick culture can create sexual problems, just look at the catholic priesthood.
You seem to think that the adult human sex drive is normally that of an adolescent or a 25 year old single male and that if the rest of the population is not stuck in that immature mode where sex is a constant, driving need, then there is a problem. The natural reality is that healthy people mature through various phases of life while others suffer from arrested xevelopment.
Veiled prostitution or any kind of sex-for-money is just what happens when your behavior becomes perverted and you continue obsessing with sex. Try and understand the concept: sex is for procreation. It is nature’s business and it is healthy in that context. Many men women understand this on a visceral level, at least the ones who have not had their behavior perverted by male cultural forces. But many others, perhaps most, have been damaged by dysfunctional cultures or upbrining and are like the monkeys trapped in a cage at a zoo, masterbating constantly and displaying violent behavior. They are removed from the natural environment.
It does not matter whether the perversions (money for sex) happen inside or outside marriage. ANyone who is participating in sex for money is displaying behavior which is contrary to purpose. Grow up, make your offspring then leave the obsessive sexual behavior behind.
I think the message here is that we all need to just step back from what the thoroughly corrupted government calls law and rule and to totally disregard ANY numbers or data coming from that source.
Ron Paul stated recently that he was not sure that we could turn this thing around in time. He is not the only high profile individual to say such a thing. Jacque Fresco (The Venus Project, The Zeitgeist Movement)) has also expressed fear that we are too late. Like climate change, a tipping point may have been reached beyond which people cannot stop a systemic collapse, the likes of which has never been experienced by our species.
Rather than spending our energies on trying to save a doomed system, perhaps we should be working on survival preparation for when this all comes tumbling down upon us.
This is a subject which is maturity relevant. Any man who is obsessing over sex after the age of 40 and who chases younger women and pays for sexual service has simply not matured normally for any number of reasons, some of which might be cultural in nature.
While sex may begin with younger adults as a driving urge and as a recreational activity, its natural purpose is for procreation. Once adults mate and procreate, recreational sex outside of a marriage should dissipate. Other passions more relevant to older males should replace the adolescent sex drive.
Sex is a young man’s game and when old fools try to play it, it is sadly comical to most observers. It is, apparently, good business for some, but in my opinion, that is monkey business in a very literal sense.
[quote=”kimball”]Then maybe those scientists (that only make 60k) and those ticos and nicos and whoever else should go to school and become a CEO or a hedge fund manager.
Im just a dumb bricklayer working my balls off to make enough money to secure mine and my families future. For whatever that is worth.
The system is the system no matter how you want to dice it. So that is the game i play.
Maybe i should give all my money to poor people so we are equal. Will that make you feel better.
Until then i put one brick on top of two and hope for the best.[/quote]
That’s a great idea; have everyone be hedge managers and CEO’s. You just don’t get it. Whatever wealth you or most anybody else has came from a cooperative, societal effort. Commerce depends upon an infrastructure. When the rewards of that effort are not fairly distributed, the imbalance tends to destroy the society. Current and historical examples abound which is why the Costa Rican government became concerned over a recent report indicating there is a growing economic gap among its citizens.
It is meaningless to state that “the system is the system”. No kidding! The system was created and is maintained by people. It is not some immutable force of nature.
[quote=”kimball”]But you dont address the real question.
How much tax is enough ? 75% 80% 90% ?
Yeah, things are a mess, but we still need to keep making money. I just would like to keep some of it.
Maybe i ill buy a boat and that will help your kid who works at the boat manufacture.
Or maybe ill buy some property in CR and build a house. That might help some kids in CR with some employment.
Cant you see that its all tied together ?[/quote]
Tie this one together for me, will you: CEO’s and hedge fund managers have yearly salaries in the millions of dollars yet a scientist working on a cure for a disease might be lucky to make $60K a year.
The Tico (or more likely, the Nica) who works on building your house makes $12 a day for hard labor. The same laborer in the States might make 30 or 40 times that amount for the same kind of work.
The world monetary system is a manipulative tool for human exploitation. It can be adjusted and directed to suit those who control it and this system is completely disconnected from real human needs and proper allocation of planetary resources.
Taxation is a minor aspect of the manipulation. Living standard disparities are a much more dangerous problem.I am using the smallest words I can think of to explain this. The problem is not vocabulary. It is just a complicated issue impossible to explain in a paragraph. And you have been brainwashed your entire life so that you might not see what has happened and what is happening.
Let’s just say that money is a tool used by those who create it to control you and to rob you of the wealth your energy creates. You do not create money. You merely use it. Since they create money out of thin air as much or as little as they like, THEY determine its value, not you. In this way, they decide how much you earn and the monetary cost of the things you can buy.
Social security, 401K’s, retirement pensions…all are dependent upon government largess because they have control of what you think of as your money. And they can pull the rug from under you at a moment’s notice. They are doing it right now and you don’t see it.
[quote=”sprite”]Unions, just like governments and political parties, get co-opted by the big money. Both of you are chasing one another’s tails in a vicious circle by playing the false two party socialism versus capitalism game that has been set up by the elitists to distract you from the real problem.
The real problem is the economic system based on money. This system designs obsolescence and scarcity of goods in order to maintain demand without which, the whole thing would come tumbling down….and it is doing that anyway because it is unsustainable. While you argue that one side or the other side is to blame, it should be evident that regardless of who has been in power, things always go the same direction. Don’t you ever wonder why that is? Take the red pill and wake up! from your stupor![/quote]
Unions, just like governments and political parties, get co-opted by the big money. Both of you are chasing one another’s tails in a vicious circle by playing the false two party socialism versus capitalism game that has been set up by the elitists to distract you from the real problem.
The real problem is the economic system based on money. This system designs obsolescence and scarcity of goods in order to maintain demand without which, the whole thing would come tumbling down….and it is doing that anyway because it is unsustainable. While you argue that one side or the other side is to blame, it should be evident that regardless of who has been in power, things always go the same direction. Don’t you ever wonder why that is? Wake up!
The disparity in taxes, which ever way it breaks down, is not as bothersome nor as destructive as the income disparity in society. It is that income disparity, created by people exploiting and enslaving other people, which eventually brings down nations, cultures and now, perhaps, even entire species.
I have watched this Carlin bit many times. Thanks for posting it. It is an eloquent, concise expression of this truth and the language used is appropriate. I think I have posted this as well once on another thread here.
For those who do not yet “get it”, I wonder what they are hearing here? What part of this truth do they refute and what are their reasons?
