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Well Peg please identify what facts I have twisted since you made that statement that I have. You claim you dislike and don’t approve of the current administration this is you right and I respect it. But why voice it on WLCR why not voice it where it does some good and has a positive affect; like in your voting, writing your elected officials, in your own community in the US, organize rallys and marches, write the editorial pages of local US newspapers. That makes sense to me. But when a thread is started on this website about something Costa Rica specific why bring that stuff up. That is what I questioned when I started this thread. Getting back to maravilla there is another thread on WLCR addressing crime in Costa Rica and maravilla turned it into a minority issue in Denver and St Louis and I questioned her in that thread about her racist statements as I read it. These are facts that you can read right here in this thread and others on this Board. I don’t care if you dislike or disagree with me or my point of view but I don’t accept having words put in my mouth.
The other thing you bring up in your last post is Valerie Plame please expand on what she has to do with this discusion. Also I would suggest that you use the latest facts about her and her husband’s claims and what was later identified to be the truth. There are many other examples you could choose which might better address issues with the current administration. I think you chose a loser but that is just my opinion. Again I have never discussed how I feel about the current administration on this board and I won’t. I have clearly stated I have many issues with US policy on many subjects and I even elaborated on some. Yet I still do not feel this is the correct forum to bash the US compare yes critisize in context of a thread yes bash no. While you are entitled to your opinion and you may write what you see fit to post so may I. Pura Vida
If you have read the links I left above do you still believe that the US government is persuing off shore sport books for ilegal acceptance of bets from the US because of organized crime involvement or to Hurt Costa Rica. I for one believe it has everything to do with organized crime and the money it generates and launders through off shore book making. But I am only going on the information I know both first hand and from reading facts. If I were an attorney at this juncture I would say I rest my case. And I do rest the case.
http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:prwkL-uJjgoJ:www2.als.edu/glc/wagering/Uvari-Indictment.pdf+%22Gerald+Uvari%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=16&gl=us This one explains it best
http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/nys/pressreleases/January05/uvarietalindictmentpr.pdf
http://home.att.net/~fcwriter/news35.htm
Scott Oliver and anyone else interested in learning more about US organized crime and gambling and why the US is so hard on it.
A couple of links as I said I would provide about how Organized crime used off shore partners for ilegal betting operations after you read these you will have enough information and names to do more research if you like these are not related to Costa Rica by choice.Edited on Feb 05, 2007 08:02
Well bradbard I know the difference between a partnership and a shareholder I also know the 5% rule but I don’t think we need to go there I explained why I used the terminology and corrected it.
I am not concerned with defamination or slander because you can’t be in any trouble when you are stating the truth which I did. The company I referenced and the employees/stockholders have been indicted for ilegal gaming practices on more than one violation and even charged with running an ilegal enterprise and the Ricco act. But thanks for your thoughts.
Lastly the raids by Costa Rican authorities on ilegal workers is something the government has been doing of late as Promised by the President of the country. The tip off or warnings you are suggesting were not to the CR authorities but to the sport book management which is what was troubling the authorities since they weren’t available for arrest. You can’t cherry pick an article and take words out of context to try to fake a point. There is no mention of the FBI or any relationship to these raids and the US government. Unless you are saying the Costa Rican authorities doesn’t want the jobs for Ticos. Or maybe if you stick with the truth the article clearly states the Costa Rican Government doesn’t want foreign workers taking Costa Rican jobs. Thus the same reason they raided the Hotel Del Rey which also has many ilegal foreign workers there. The other main issue is the raids took place on Friday allowing the operations back up and running for the super bowl. When you asked the question what does law enforcement do in the US for super bowl I answered they raid the ilegal bookie joints on Super Bowl Sunday and arrest the employees and confiscate the money. No money was confiscated in Costa Rica all operations were back up and running after the raids Friday the raids were conducted by Costa Rican authorities to crack down on ilegal foreign workers that take Costa Rican Jobs from Ticos and the tip offs went to the management about the raids before the raids a sign of curruption within the Costa Rican law enforcement agency. Similiar tip offs happen in the US when cops on the payroll of the criminals warn of raids before raids take place.
As every good conspiricy theorist does they twist facts to make them justify their theroy just as was done in your post. I am not saying you did this intentionaly I believe you read the same article I read and saw what you thought was the authorities were tipped off and a few other misunderstandings or left out facts. Like the one about Hotel DelRey. Also that the raids gave the operators pleanty of time to be open for Super Bowl Sunday. Another missing fact is this is just a sample of raids that have gone on over the past week or so for ilegal foreign workers. None of the other raids had anything to do with sport books. Yet the last missing piece of information is that these sport books are known to have many ilegal foreign workers and even forged papers. Would you agree that is a much more acurate account of what took place last Friday. Or are you still convinced that the FBI is in Costa Rica making arrests. Maybe you are correct and the US FBI is helping the Costa Rican authorities get rid of the Ilegal foreign workers because they sure aren’t doing anything in the US to get rid of our ilegal foreign workers.
The Super Bowl is over please let me know if bradbard’s statement that the FBI is in Costa Rica to shut down and areest sport book operations there. How many arrests were made and how many sport books have been closed down by the FBI. I await the facts on that claim. As I said I will formally appologize if a one was closed and or if one person was arrested by the FBI. If this didn’t occur please let me know if the 200 FBI agents can come back to the US and continue working on crimes here in the US. If the FBI isn’t there closing Sport Books or arresting sport book employees will at least on person agree it never happened and it was just a conspiricy theroy.
Hi peg: Just as you like maravilla’s post I don’t like them. I never called her unpatriotic I said she spews anti american rhetoric every chance she can. I don’t have to read my posts I wrote them I know what I wrote they are my feelings thoughts and opinions along with facts used to back up my position. If you read all of my posts as you claim you have you might have noticed I never defended the Bush administration in fact I never stated anywhere whether I agree with or disagree with it. Your claim that I am the self proclaimed authority on everything is disproved by my posts asking for help and information about costa rica in many places on this forum. Which is why I believe this forum was created. I question why people like maravilla bash the US when the issues in a thread is about something specific to CR living or land and so fourth. Just for you knowledge I have been a VIP member for more than a year and during that time I never posted because I wasn’t ready to relocate to Costa Rica as the time is here for me to move I have been asking questions and gaining information while that has been going on maravilla and a couple of others have used the space to bash the US constantly so I chose to question it. I also questioned some racist statements since I deplore racism. Other than that I don’t know what you are refering to about my being all knowing. While you may not like my choice of words sense of humor or writing skills and you may disagree with my opinions I don’t know how I am stopping you from reading anyones posts or forcing you to read anyone elses. I haven’t kicked you or anyone else off the site nor do I have the power to. I thanked your friend for alerting me that she will be spending less time here and I truly welcome her choice. Thank you peg for your input and support.
Scott while you are correct they did take the comapny public in an effort to make more money and hide their ownership.
The CEO was given stock (his ownership of stock is why I classified him as a partner) and was being used as the figurehead for an ilegal gambling operation that was moved off shore to continue accepting bets from their same US clients. Thus trying to circumvent the law unfortunately for the CEO the law did catch up with their attempt and he was caught up in a criminal enterprise. Whether knowingly or not he became part of the web of US gangsters. Fortunately he will be allowed to put forth a defense in many other societies he might not have the same rights. I don’t know if he knew they were gangsters and is a willing participant just as another English lad that joined up with the Gambino crime family of New York City that was arrested for a similiar book making operation that involved a Native American Casino to lay off bets a few years ago. This is another London resident who is now enjoying a cell in a federal prison. He and his US Partners fixed horse races commited income tax violations and accepted ilegal bets as bookies. You can Google the name of his Gambino partners that goes by the last name of Uvari and read the indictments and their pleas of guilty accross the board. Thus some English lads are in bed with US criminals by choice and others may have been duped. But the facts are there for you to check out. There have been many straight citizens that have been fronts for organized crime some with knowledge some without ever knowing until the day they get arrested. If you have trouble verifying the facts I outlined above please let me know and I will be happy to provide a link for you.
rfmark: What exactly is the reason for your visit to Costa Rica? Are you coming for a vacation and want to experience all the Costa Rica has to offer or are you trying to experience every region of the country to decide if you want to live here and which area would best suit you? What ever your reason you have to come to best place to get the answers to your questions. This site WLCR has many VIP members that will guide you to the most cost effective and enjoyable way to adchieve your goals. Scott Oliver himself has a great deal of knowledge along with people like GringoTico who will try their best to make your trip and experience safe fun and fufilling. I think you need to be a little more open about what you are looking for and how much time you have to spend so you can get insight and recomendations. You can also email Scott directly for some refferals. I can attest that everyone I have been introduced to through WLCR have been quick to respond english speaking and willing to meet my requirements. Thus I recommend this site and the refferals from here highly. I also suggest to you and everyone it is best to ask the questions before you do anything so you can get guideance rather than coming here afterwards to complain about a bad experience and get hindsight into what you should have done. Good luck with planning your trip I promise you this if you ask the questions here you will get the answers as to what is the best way to meet your goals.
Lotus You are 100% correct they stop the flow of money from the US. Issue US warrants only valid in the US and they do ask for extradition. They don’t close them down per se but they cause them to close since 80-90% of their income comes from the US ilegally. If you click on the link upbove it lays out the government’s case as well as the history of the company. If you read the other posts you are lead to believe that it is this poor little English lad that is being beat up by the big powerful US what they don’t say is he is only 1 partner and the other 10 people arrested are owners as well and all US citizens with a criminal history for this crime in the US.
DKT2U: You are correct also: And if anyone does in depth research they will find the two companies that you reference have 2 different company names but the same ownership. The Principal’s in most of these sport books are former US ilegal bookies with ties to US organized crime in many cases. If you check the history of book making in the US it has been Organized Crime owned and operated even Las Vegas was started by US Gangsters and they ran it until recently. IT is now run by a worse set of people organized business. Corporate America has less of a heart than the worst Gangster. They have made every area of operations in Casinos profit centers thus the high cost of hotel rooms and food today compared with years ago. Although now it is lining the pockets of US corporations instead of gangsters it is still the gambler that is the loser.
Edited on Feb 04, 2007 11:40
Since so many of you have commented on this issue and believe the US is at fault I suggest that you read the indictment link attached and see who you are really defending. Some of the owners of this CR sport book operations were formally illegal book makers in the US and had been arrested over years in the US before moving their operations off shore. (http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pr/2006/July/06_crm_443.html) Please don’t take my word for this read the above link. If you still feel the same then I give up trying to educate you to the facts and I will have to believe you don’t care about the truth.
Brad I want to thank you so much for validating everthing I have been stating here. In your post above this one you have identified a US company that broke English law by shipping whisky to England from the US on sales taken via the internet. This company then closed it’s doors due to loss of adequate income from sales. This is the exact same thing that has happened in the online gaming industry. On line gaming operations are barred from accepting wagers from outside the state in which it is legal. Thus the arrests in the US same as the arrests in London. Granted this is just an analogy but the principal is the same.
As far as the tax issues that is continually brought up about the winners having to declare their taxable earnings from wagers they won. That is one of the reasons that the internet gaming is outlawed interstate. When someone wins the gaming company issues an WG9 to the winner if pay out is over the limit the WG9 is copied to the IRS if the person wins at a casino where gaming is legal they are responsible for federal taxes and state taxes in the state in which they won. Since offshore internet gaming is prohibited by US law our law enforcement agencies go after the violators of the law the person taking the bet not the person making the wager. The law is clearly written it is prohibited to accept wagers outside of the state in which gaming is legal. We can go around and around again and again but these facts won’t change even if you don’t like them. For a fact I don’t agree with the laws as they are written but they are still the law. I believe that anyone should be able to accept a wager or make a wager from anywhere unfortunately I am not a lawmaker.
Now some other little known facts MGM/MIRAGE Corporation invested several hundred million dollars in establishing internet gaming for it’s Nevada Casino Operations however, they never offered it because US law wouldn’t allow them to accept wagers from outside of Nevada. SO they took the loss never cried about it closed their internet gaming operation before it started and laid off many employees. The head of their internet gaming operations was moved to a different department. I wonder how many posters on here feel bad for these people.
I know that some of you with your anti American attitudes can’t see the forest from the trees and view this as the US out to hurt Ticos this just isn’t the case while it is the result.
The Super Bowl will be played tomorrow and if you scroll up you will read a post that states that the US FBI is in costa rica to arrest and close down sport book operations in Costa Rica. I would like to see if that ever comes to pass as I know it won’t. If it does I will formally appologize but when it doesn’t how many of you will do the same and admit that those are the words of a conspiricy theorist who is anti american. If not anti american then just a conspiricy theorist who knocks the US government at every chance whether true or untrue.
Just for you Marcia: Gaming is Legal in Costa Rica and the US government has no interest in gaming that takes place on Costa Rican soil even by US citizens. The issue is accepting internet wagers from US soil which the US government has every right to regulate and enforce.
Thank you Harvey & Jamesey: I don’t mind being the voice that stands up for the US when she is knocked unjustly but it is nice to see you and the others that have voiced their opinions on this thread. I am certain we all have had issues with our government at various times and even voiced our negative feelings about something that we believe is wrong.
It’s nice to know that you both are back on this valued site and we will all share information fears and concerns about Costa Rica living.
Hopefully Scott will see how many people still screen his work yet hadn’t posted for a long time due to the negative posts by a few haters.
As GringoTico wrote above there are reasons to compare and even to state negatives about both the US and Costa Rica but always in context of the thread. I believe none of us have issue with that in fact I would bet we all welcome valuable information.
maravilla: I would like to thank you for your post. First it didn’t address the key question directly (Why Bash The USA at Every Chance even in this forum which isn’t about the US). But you did give your opinion if I read it right; the US should be bashed at any oppertunity because it is a Facist country full of facist citizens. We are also a war mongaring society without one redeemable quality according to you.
Based on all that anger and hate I will never understand how you will ever live Pura Vida. But I wish you luck trying.
I want to thank you for leaving the US we are a much better country without you. If you would only give up your american citizenship too.
I want to thank you for never coming back and for giving up all the rights an american has.
I truly want to thank you for limiting your time on this forum now so I won’t have to read your words much in the future. I wish I could say I will miss you but in truth I welcome you being gone.
I only hope you are as giving to your new country as you have been to your past country especially plese be as vocal about the things you dislike I know the Tico’s will appreciate it.
Lastly I hope you are completely open at your party with these journalist so they may get to see the real you take pleanty of pictures maybe even video it because after an eveing listening to you I would not be surprised if they miss your future events. Unless these are journalist who also cover Castro or Chavez. In any event have a wonderful long life.
Edited on Feb 03, 2007 01:19
Again scottbenson your statement is incorrect. Prostitution is legal in the US in NYE County NEVADA. Check your facts before you make comparasions. Also I never mentioned that taxes are the issue as you keep saying I stated that the law states that no one may accept wagering outside of a state in which it is legal. That’s why it’s OK for Americans to go to Costa Rica and wager in Casinos there or to place sports wagers on the internet there while they are there and no taxes are due nor have any laws been broken. The US government isn’t taxing the sport books in CR. They aren’t saying don’t do business anywhere it is legal they are saying don’t break our laws or we will use what ever means we can to stop it and bring you to justice. Read this a few times and my other posts a few times and maybe then you will see what I am saying and how it is different than what yu are saying I am saying. I understand this issue may be very personal or important to you I respect that scottbenson all I am asking is that you get the facts straight. Get them straight in your understanding and than you may even agree or you may not and we will agree to disagree. I agree with you that the internet should be tax free yet it isn’t in some cases like when the purchase and sale are in the same State sales tax is due but also the companies and individuals are responsible for income taxes on all earnings in their prospective countries in most countries. That covers the tax issues the other issue is about breaking laws where you sell your services or goods. You may not sell firearms or other identified weapons via the internet in places they are illegal. This is all the same as I have said before and I am repeating myself, so maybe you are right if Scott Oliver will chime in and explain what I am saying and what you are saying and how they differ.
ReconAlpha: I have something else to add in response to your post. You stated we have to bash the US more now. I question what you stated, if you are so unhappy with this government and it’s policies why aren’t you voting for change, why aren’t you marching on Washington with your claims why are you on a website about Costa Rica complaining about the Country you say you fought for. I don’t do those things; I vote I write my congress and senators I express what I agree with and disagree with. I don’t blanketly critisize the USA on a website about another country one that has been created to teach about this foreign country. When you write that you have done all this stuff that you can’t speak of yet you speak of it. I almost just wrote more than I wish to share on here and I erased it. You can’t preach to me about war I am a combat veteran not just 1 tour and I have seen and done pleanty yet you won’t read it here and even if you were my friend you wouldn’t hear about it because I don’t talk about it. Again I appreciate that you served our great nation.
