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[quote=”maravilla”]you guys can have all the vac’s you want. i pass, so you can have my share. and then i saw this today, too:
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/11/13/mmr-vaccine-ineffectiveness.aspx
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Oh Mara – I lived in NY. The Orthodox community doesn’t vaccinate no matter what your “report” says. And viruses mutate.
[quote=”costaricafinca”]Today on [url=http://insidecostarica.com/2012/11/13/costa-rican-doctors-calling-for-pneumonia-vaccination-after-425-deaths-in-2011/]Insidecostarica[/url] doctors are calling for pneumonia vaccinations.
If we choose to live here, we have to consider how well the CAJA medical system can treat pneumonia and some of the other treatable diseases that can be transmitted if one decides not to get vaccinated.
It [b]isn’t[/b] necessary to have a typhus vaccination to visit Panama from Costa Rica. Nor is a Yellow fever vaccination required to travel [b]to[/b] CR from some other Central American countries, [b]if you are over 65[/b].[/quote]
Sorry, it was recommended (state dept. I think) so we got the vaccination. No biggie and better safe than….
Have there been problems with vaccines? Yup. Nothing is perfect. But what about the following:
Measles is a highly contagious, serious disease caused by a virus. In 1980, before widespread vaccination, measles caused an estimated 2.6 million deaths each year.
It remains one of the leading causes of death among young children globally, despite the availability of a safe and effective vaccine. An estimated 139 300 people died from measles in 2010 – mostly children under the age of five. (WHO)Measles can be prevented by the combination MMR (measles, mumps, and rubella) vaccine. In the decade before the measles vaccination program began, an estimated 3–4 million people in the United States were infected each year, of whom 400–500 died, 48,000 were hospitalized, and another 1,000 developed chronic disability from measles encephalitis. Widespread use of measles vaccine has led to a greater than 99% reduction in measles cases in the United States compared with the pre-vaccine era, and in 2009, only 71 cases of measles were reported in the United States. (CDC)
In the pre-vaccine era, pertussis was a common childhood disease and a major cause of child and infant mortality in the United States. Routine childhood vaccination led to a reduction in disease incidence from an average of 150 reported cases per 100,000 persons between 1922 and 1940, to 0.5 per 100,000 in 1976.[2] The incidence of reported pertussis began increasing in the 1980s. In 2009, the incidence of reported pertussis was 5.54 per 100,000 persons (CDC, unpublished data). While the reasons for this increase are not fully understood, multiple factors have likely contributed to the increase including waning immunity from childhood pertussis vaccines, increased recognition of the disease, and better diagnostic testing and increased reporting. The incidence of pertussis remains highest among young infants.[3,4] In 2009, most (12 of 14) pertussis-related deaths reported to CDC were among infants aged younger than 6 months, who were too young to have received three doses of DTaP vaccine (CDC, unpublished data). As of 2009, the second highest incidence of pertussis is observed among school-aged children and adolescents, and the proportion of cases in this age group appears to be increasing. (CDC)
Mumps: The first vaccine against mumps was licensed in the United States in 1967, and by 2005, high two-dose childhood vaccination coverage reduced disease rates by 99%. (CDC)
Diphtheria: A confirmed case has not been reported in not been reported in the US since 2004. Approximately 0.001 cases per 100,000 population in the US since 1980, before the introduction of the vaccine in the 1920s incidence was 100-200 cases per 100,000 population. (CDC)
Polio: In the late 1940s to the early 1950s, in the United States alone, polio crippled around 35,000 people each year making it one of the most feared diseases of the twentieth century. By 1979 the country became polio free (CDC)And lets not forget smallpox, which now exists only in cultures and not in the population.
Before you visit Panama, you need a typhus vaccination.
Should we stop working on a vaccine for river blindness? How about not working on a vaccine for malaria?
What about it Maravilla? Maybe we do away with all this research?
Good job on that David. I will keep this brief.
The vaccination-autism link was originally attributed to a stabilizer in the vaccine. The pharm companies removed the stabilizer about 15-20 years ago and the rate of autism [i]continued to climb![i] In the meantime, no reputable scientific study showed any link between vaccines and autism. Lawyers still worked the angle. Naturally.
Anyone want to comment on my previous post, ‘thank God for vaccinations’? And yes, I had a good friend who died of post-polio syndrome. Her brother died a month after contracting the disease.
The question is:
Would she be able to realistically live in San Jose by herself and 2 dogs and still have cable tv, internet, and a decent lifestyle on $2000 a month?
[/quote]The answer is: Yes. Lots of good stuff out there.
[quote=”costaricafinca”][b]David,[/b] like you, we are explaining that we [b]know,[/b] and are not just passing on second hand information.
The following was copied from [url=http://thejacoblog.com/costa-rica-vaccinations-required-again-for-children/]this webpage[/url],[i]”Just announced last week in the media, Costa Rica vaccinations of over 700,000 children are set to be re-immunized. Most of the general public does not question such programs and generally go along with it, after all, when they show up at your children’s school, [b]you do not have much choice unless you stay with them all day”[/b]. [/i]Don’t get me wrong, in that I feel children should be vaccinated against the parent wishes, but that they know that is a requirement if they want their child to attend the public school system, so if they don’t like it, they need to chose somewhere else to live.
[i]”Some affluent Tico folks that I know of that do NOT believe in Vaccinations made a few financial contributions and went there merry way”[/i] probably sent their children to private school.[/quote]
Thank God for vaccinations. I remember the hot summer days when we couldn’t walk in the stream or play in the pool because of polio. You probably never had measles and then, weeks later, German measles. You never saw a child choking to death with whooping cough, but my mother, a nurse in the 30’s did. You have never seen a case of tetanus or diphtheria. Be happy about that. And be happy that we have vaccinations.
I agree. We paid in, we need to have the refund. For those who never paid in and still get a check? Just stop the checks.
If you think this is about race, you are way off base. To me, Obama is just another white-tax-and-spend liberal. This is about personal responsibility and the Constitution.
Hi Vern. Get the heck out of the central valley and off the coast! There is a great lake up here…..
We bought our home near the lake from Juan Carlos at Moran and couldn’t be happier. A large expat community, lots of activities, a lake, great weather (ok, its raining right now but ’tis the season), and nice low prices. If you decide to visit the area, send me a private message and come for a drink on the deck!
Depends on what you call “home schooling”. Our local school day is short. You can teach anything you want to at home as long as the child also goes to school. And, in rural areas, a lot of children only get a few years of school before their families either need them at home or can’t afford the uniforms and books to keep them in school. Probably very different in the cities.
