Paragon Properties Costa Rica – Part I – 2005 Discussions Postings

These 2005 Paragon Properties discussion forum postings are reproduced here in an effort to help educate and protect people thinking about buying Costa Rica land.

We would strongly encourage you to spend a few hours reading this… It will help you understand a LOT more about Costa Rica land.

sailsalvi
Joined: 09 Mar 2005
Posts: 0
PostPosted: 10 Mar 2005 03:55 pm Post subject: Paragon Properties

Thanks to Paragon I found this website. This may well be the only positive
part of my experience with Paragon. I went through their phone
processing and I was summarily dispatched when I told Greg (my phone
handler) that I did not need to speak to an OLD, RETIRED, SCHOOLTEACHER
(a lady) residing in Chicago which had done business with Paragon and would answer any questions I may have. My insistence to the fact that I do
my own research and due diligence is what I think made Greg decide that I was not a WILLING CANDIDATE and therefore more work than I was worth.

This whole deal smells terribly and reminds me of the thousands of acres sold in the swamps of Florida or the deserts of Arizona in times past.

PostPosted: 11 Mar 2005 02:03 pm Post subject: RE: Paragon Properties

Unfortunately I agree with you.

“If” they could show you a ‘proven’ track record with land development, that’s one thing however, as far as I can see, they do NOT have a proven track record here or in the Florida…

Highly efficient, aggressive telemarketing campaigns with dozens of high-commission ‘closers’ and sending out millions of emails does not necessarily mean they know anything about real estate…

Doing your “own research and due diligence” is a MUST and actually visiting, standing on it and checking out land in a foreign country BEFORE you buy or commit to buy MUST be a “MUST.”

Scott

AlaskaDan
Joined: 17 Dec 2004
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PostPosted: 17 Mar 2005 08:53 am Post subject: RE: Paragon Properties

I did talk to the “retired school teacher” but I also stated that I would be doing my own research into them and the whole thought of purchasing property in Costa Rica. Though they sent me their “info package” I have not since heard a word from them and all the info I have found on them suggest it is best to steer clear of them.

I am still looking into moving to Costa Rica in the future and must say that I agree that this site is the best source of info I have yet found online. I will be using the info and most likely some of the contacts listed here when the time comes for me to make my move hopefully in the next 2 to 3 years. Please keep up the great work Scotto!

cindyc
Joined: 19 Dec 2004
Posts: 2
PostPosted: 17 Mar 2005 04:29 pm Post subject: RE: Paragon Properties

I was down in CR in January, I did not look at Paragon Properties because I too was wary of their intent and sales pitch; along with the desire not to be in a development with hundreds of homes, four to an acre. I did come across someone who bought several parcels from them and when he saw the property and changed his mind had a difficult time getting his money back.

However, he did get it back. I did end up buying a piece of land south of there and just completed the process; it was more expensive but what we got for our money is well worth it to me. The buying process was a learning experience, but not too bad. Finding a good attorney is definately a must!

jpal19
Joined: 07 Mar 2005
Posts: 0
PostPosted: 18 Mar 2005 03:24 pm Post subject: RE: Paragon Properties

You have really got to be kidding me saying that Paragon is building 4 houses per acre. Each lot is at least an acre or 2 and people are building ONE HOUSE per lot. Now we know how things can really get twisted. TIME WILL TELL WITH PARAGON. I am dealing with them now and things are going good.

cindyc
Joined: 19 Dec 2004
Posts: 2
PostPosted: 19 Mar 2005 07:48 pm Post subject: RE: Paragon Properties

I was told when I personally talked to Paragon that each lot COULD BE split into four. This may have changed but I was just speaking not from heresay, but what I was told.

chucklesg
Joined: 14 Mar 2005
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PostPosted: 20 Apr 2005 04:10 pm Post subject: RE: Paragon Properties

I too went through the BS of Paragon, and when some “old fart” (his words!) in Florida kept asking me personal questions that had absolutely no bearing on my interest or ability to purchase CR property, he hung up on me!

Forums like this will help get our the message about the many scam artists in Costa Rica, Panama etc.

mist215
Joined: 28 Apr 2005
Posts: 0
PostPosted: 28 Apr 2005 03:44 pm Post subject: RE: Paragon Properties

Hi,

I am currently talking to Paragon and being really pushed into sending $25k deposit… They are swearing that it’s a legite deal and I won’t loose these money… Their claims:

their 6th project,
customers love them
they deal with a well known retired judge who lives in N. Miami

Would really apreciate any feedback from anyone who dealt with them in the past??

thanks in advance…

PS: CR is beautiful and that makes it hard to resist as well….

reiman
Joined: 29 Apr 2005
Posts: 4
PostPosted: 29 Apr 2005 09:33 pm Post subject: RE: Paragon Properties

Just want to let everyone know about Paragon. We responded to some spam mail back in February and started talking to Paragon. We had a lot of questions that were unanswered and basically decided not to buy property from them. Even after talking to the retired school teacher and another reference (who by the way get paid 15 dollars for every reference they respond to). We were just down in Costa Rica and repeatedly drove by Paragon properties on our way to and from Quepos and Parrita. They have a rickety old sign up and absolutely no one in sight to show you any properties. Prior to going, we called them again and said that we were going to be down there and would like to see the properties. They said the only way they would show us the property was if we sent them 25,000. This, even though they would not have to put us up for the weekend or fly us down there. While down in Costa Rica we met with 8 different real estate agents (more if you count everyone who is selling property down there) and whenever they heard the name paragon they started chuckling and telling stories about them. Basically, they are selling lots without any infrastructure what so ever. It is a complete joke. To get to “your” lot you would need a helicopter. It is absolutely crazy that people are sending them money without even seeing the property first. To make a long story short, there is a lot of property in Costa Rica. Go find some worth buying. We did. We are in the process of buying some great property in Palo Seco area.

ezimage
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PostPosted: 07 May 2005 03:27 am Post subject: RE: Paragon Properties

We were down in CR in late April and met with all of the Paragon principles, employees, toured the properties along with 80 other potential investors. And yes, we have money in a US Escrow company. It is a real deal folks. We talked (through an interpreter) to the engineers asked all of the pertinent questions and they are doing all of the testing and obtaining all of the required permits. The development is coming along quickly after only nine months. The progress was quite amazing actually.

We were so impressed in fact that we came back home and decided to buy two lots. Even my ultra financially conservative real estate appraiser sister wanted in on the deal, which was a total surprise to me. She was the one who grilled the engineers and she was very satisfied with their answers.

We did a tremendous amount of due diligence as did every person who participated in this tour. It is a young company growing very quickly. They may not have all of the bells and whistles in place yet, but they will. They have a very impressive team. I was very very impressed with the people in the company. The principles do have a lot of very valid experience in this area as well. They are straight shooters and won’t BS you. Sales people are sales people are sales people, they get paid on commission, so I do not include them in my last statement. But to be fair to them . . . . they don’t have to put up with rude buyers either. They have had no problems selling this property.

I believe that they are in the process of opening an office outside of San Jose, which will make it easier to view their developments. However, with the business plan that they have in place, they are indeed selling very quickly.

What actually makes me feel comfortable is the fact that I am dealing with an American company, an American Escrow company and a major American title company doing business in Costa Rica.

I also feel that their property is a good value. Our plans are to be snowbirds and I will feel much more comfortable being in a gated community where you don’t have to worry about squatters and the theft possibility is reduced.

Their contract is pretty specific regarding their obligation to put in the infrastructure.

The owner of the company is a sharp businessman. This is not his last endeavor, so successful and happy customers are vital to him.

Although we did not talk to a local attorney, we talked at great length with a couple that did. The attorney stated that from everything that he was told and the contracts that he read it appeared to be 100% legitimate.

I would imagine that the local real estate community is not thrilled that it is being sold in the US and they are not using local agents. It makes me wonder if that is where some of the negative “buyer beware” posts are coming from.

There is plenty of land available in CR. But price a gated community and you may want to revisit Paragon Properties. I am very comfortable with our decision. And after meeting with all of the principles, I believe that they have a lot of integrity as well.

This forum and the negative postings was almost a show stopper for me. So it you are uncomfortable, don’t buy from them. But I am very glad that I put the money in escrow, took the trip and met these people. They are the kind of people that I want to do business with!

mac99mac
Joined: 29 Sep 2004
Posts: 1
PostPosted: 08 May 2005 10:35 pm Post subject: RE: Paragon Properties

Sounds like ‘ezimage’ is a salesman from Paragon…

If you have any plans to buy anything from these people, YOU SIMPLY MUST read the following article:

http://www.newtimesbpb.com/issues/2005-04-21/news/tailpipe.html

This article states that; “Take Stephen Tashman, a SoFla grifter who’s swindled millions of dollars in the past 20 years. Although you won’t see his name attached to it, he’s now involved in selling Costa Rican real estate from a boiler room in Hollywood.”

Sounds like a real charmer eh? Just the kind of guy you want to give your hard earned money too…

And then do a ‘Google’ search for ‘Stephen Tashman’ and you’ll find enough information to persuade you NEVER to speak with these people again.

Incidentally, they go by Paragon yes! But they also go by the names of Paramount International Sales as well as Buy Costa Rican Land…

So tell me! EZIMAGE – What do think about those articles and the FTC and the Department of Justice after the guy, “mistaken identity” perhaps?

jpal19
Joined: 07 Mar 2005
Posts: 0
PostPosted: 09 May 2005 12:20 pm Post subject: RE: Paragon Properties

I guess that we are just going to have to say that if you do not feel comfortable dealing with Paragon then you should not do it. I was VERY uncomfortable at first dealing with them and I did all of the research I could to get information of the WEIRD process you go through to purchase. I went and did a private visit with the president of the company and everything was exactly as stated and it was all legit. I loved my lot and can not wait to build there. I haev been going to Costa Rica for sometime and this was a great deal for me because a lot of the finance and people were American with VERY STRONG tico connections. I went to lunch with the president and spoke with him 1 on 1 for about 3 hours and i is everything that I wanted. I am going to down in CR this summer for 5 weeks and I will be camping and watch the property to see the makings of everything happening. I foresee a good thing here it is people are always scared when they money is up in the air while they are designing the lots and getting ready for the infrastucture. It is a good thing they have there!!!! You just have to be patient and realize that things do not ALL RUN THE SAME IN ALL AREAS.. I think that this is a good thing from what I can tell and I look forward to living in Costa Rica for my summers.

Pura Vida,
Joe From Long Island

binky
Joined: 02 May 2004
Posts: 0
PostPosted: 09 May 2005 01:59 pm Post subject: RE: Paragon Properties

You gotta’ be working for Paragon…

I’m assuming that “all of your research” did NOT involve doing a simple search on the internet and include reading the article mentioned in the posting above…

Her’s a couple of paragraphs from that article to save you the click: “Tashman made the bamboozlers hall of fame in 1995 when he earned a chapter in Fred Schulte’s Fleeced!: Telemarketing Rip-Offs and How to Avoid Them. The book describes Tashman’s involvement in the late ’80s with Atlantex Associates, a North Miami Beach company that fraudulently sold oil and gas partnerships to investors. The Federal Trade Commission sued, and a federal court fined Tashman and his cohorts $12 million. Undaunted, in the early 1990s, he started Junction Financial Corp., a Hallandale Beach firm that sold partnerships in an ostrich breeding and farming operation.

As it turned out, the birds wouldn’t screw each other, but the company had no problem nailing about 1,000 investors for $3 million. This time, it was the Securities and Exchange Commission that sued.”

So please! Show me what good news you find on the internet when you do a search for Stephen Tashman?

Was it the article about him and the serious problems he has with the Department of Justice or the FTC that finally persuaded you this “was exactly as stated and it was all legit.” Give me a break!

And “VERY STRONG Tico connections” means nothing. Everybody claims to have ‘connections’ but that did NOT help the people that lost over $500,000,000 in a variety of investment schemes (Villalobos Brothers, the Cubans etc) down here a few years ago.

And why is it such a WEIRD process if they are Americans? Why did they ask you to send money without even seeing the lots?

And how long does it take “designing the lots” and what’s involved in “getting ready for the infrastructure”?

You say that “people are always scared when they money is up in the air” and you would be right about that because this guys track record is crystal clear – He has been involved in a variety of ‘questionable’ deals where his “investors” have lost tens of millions of dollars….

The article continues…

“Tashman kept going and going and going. The Energizer swindler next launched Telecard Dispensing Corp., which took in about $28 million by selling calling card machines, a dicey deal that left investors broke. The FTC sued him for not disclosing his notorious background to would-be buyers. (The 7-year-old case is still in federal court, though a federal appeals court in February allowed a lower court to ban Tashman from any involvement with marketing investments, franchises, or business ventures.)”

Duh! Yeah! He sounds “legit” to me…..

trevorchil
Joined: 09 May 2005
Posts: 3
PostPosted: 10 May 2005 08:09 pm Post subject: RE: Paragon Properties

This is an incredibly risky venture for all of those that choose not to follow common sense or Tico sense or all the bad publicity. I live here and have done so for over three years during which time I have been on many many projects. I have as yet to see anyone with local market knowledge give this project a thumbs up. So am I to beleive the few happy customers from six countires away with the knowledge of this country that would fit on the head of a pin overide all of us that live here and say this smells. I have no doubt when the dust settles who is more the likely to be proven the fools. It is completely contrary to all other projects I have seen with them all combined together have not received as much negative feed back as this one. To pay for land prior to permits I beleive to be absolutely ridiculous. I mirror all of Scot’s coimments. There is just too many good projets that do not put the cart before the horse to begin to justify this risk and backwards process. Things like pictures of the property, lot and subdivision layouts, how about catastros all those things that ensure something is not fluff or swamp land in Florida. Not showing people property prior to a deposit is ridiculous and I know of no one else that would even suggest such. I noted one so called buyer on another board saying he was happy with progress that after only 9 months they were about to get permits. About to get permits!!!! Absolutely incredible. SHAKE YOUR HEAD!!! Even on manana time that sucks. One said they had done 8 phases completely sold out. I would like to know where and how you hide a project that size and yet from all of my investigation no one has been able to tell me exactly where this lost city of ATlantis is. I also have a real problem when anything on a webb site or in a business plan is not perfectly true or exagerated out of all reason. There is factual statements made by them to prospects or on their sites that are just plain false. Even simple little? things that any fool living here knows not to be true.

ezimage
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PostPosted: 11 May 2005 11:14 pm Post subject: RE: Paragon Properties

So some of you feel that if you post any positive experience with Paragon that we must work for them. Sorry to disappoint you . . . I don’t.
As I write this I am sitting in a hotel room in Ocean Shores, WA. That is about as far as you can get from Florida.

It is very obvious that you do not have all of the specific details regarding this company and how the deal is structured.

jpal19
Joined: 07 Mar 2005
Posts: 0
PostPosted: 12 May 2005 11:51 am Post subject: RE: Paragon Properties

I have been on my lot and camped on it. It is the real deal . I guess that many people have not taken the same route in purcahsing. I understand that this is not the routine way but let me tell you it has worked for me. The deal seems good to me and I am not just waiting for the last bit of the infrastucture to go in and then I am closing and done. I do not work for Paragon but I can say that all the people I have met are reall I live in NY and live in CR for summers and I can not wait to have my own little house to live on there. Beautiful people and country.

I am hoping that everything about a scam is not true, but from what I can tell the people are real (I met them) and my land does exist seeing as though it is marked with RODS and I have slept on it.

Pura Vida,
Joe
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PostPosted: 12 May 2005 03:28 pm Post subject: RE: Paragon Properties

Sorry to interject here ‘ezimage’ …

Anyone would be foolish to ignore the overwhelmingly negative publicity about the man associated with Paragon Properties – Stephen Tashman.

If this negative publicity was just “rumor” – that’s one thing but, the US Department of Justice? The FTC? That ain’t no “rumor”!

According to them, clients of Stephen Tashman’s companies have lost tens of millions of dollars?

It’s hard to believe that after helping their clients to lose tens of millions of dollars with various “business opportunities” that because they are in Costa Rica – “this time it will be different.”

Yup! And all those DotCom stocks are going to bounce right back up to the price where you bought them and then some!

Unfortunately it’s always the ‘little guy’ that gets slaughtered, the guy that can NOT afford to lose, the guy that should NOT really be investing in DotCom stocks but hey! It’s only $5 – “How much can I lose?”

Well how about 100% of your money!

Paragon have been very succesful giving ‘selling the dream’ of ‘your little piece of paradise in Costa Rica’ primarily to the smaller investor and I sincerely hope that it is different but, “if” it were me doing the evaluation on this?

I’d simply say; “With all the gorgeous property that’s for sale in Costa Rica, why risk it on this one?”

jpal19
Joined: 07 Mar 2005
Posts: 0
PostPosted: 14 May 2005 02:43 pm Post subject: RE: Paragon Properties

Time will have to tell and I guess I am the test guy. From what I can tell it is happening and it is all ok. As I said before I have been on my marked lot. There are stakes in every corner of my lot. I was escorted through the entire project with one o fthe developers (tico). I REALLY LOVE THE COUNTRY AND WANT IT TO BE A GOOD THING.

I will let you know when things start to get done with the project. I am projected to close on the property in about 80-100 days.

Pura Vida,
Joe

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scotto
PostPosted: 14 May 2005 03:25 pm Post subject: RE: Paragon Properties

Joe

I apologize for being so ‘direct’ and forthright about this…

My first book on investing was written in part to warn & protect people who were “investing” in a variety of unregulated, unlicensed “programs” in Costa Rica. Those “programs” later collapsed and this little country called Costa Rica and thousands of expats living here lost about US$1 Billion… (Yes! That’s BILLION and not million).

For many, that was a major life-changing event.

I want you to know that I SINCERELY hope that everything does work out for you and for everybody else that have set their hearts on owning a little piece of tropical paradise.

The LAST thing I want is to hear from people who have had unpleasant experiences or who have “lost” serious money Costa Rica so, I will always try to ensure that our members are aware of the facts, good and bad, BEFORE they make a decision.
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ezimage

PostPosted: 17 May 2005 01:38 am Post subject: RE: Paragon Properties

I am involved in Elections in Washington state (USA), where we have a challenge to the November 2004 Governors race in progress. Since this event, I have a total distrust of the U.S. media. I was awestruck by how much mis-information and skewed facts were written about the Governors challenge, the election itself and how biased reporting can be.

My point is, regarding Steve, there are two sides to every story. You can’t believe everything you read – believe me. U.S. media/newspapers love hype because it sells papers and increases viewership!

Here is an article that paints a bit of a different picture. Yes, infrasturcture is going in.

http://www.amcostarica.com/morenews3.htm

mac99mac
Joined: 29 Sep 2004
Posts: 1
PostPosted: 18 May 2005 10:00 pm Post subject: RE: Paragon Properties

Hmm! Well since the US is the most litigious country on earth, you can get into a lot of very expensive trouble saying stuff that’s not true….

But does this article in AMCosta Rica paint a different picture? I don’t think so…

It states that “Paragon Properties of Costa Rica S.A. has sold out seven major developments and has purchased land for two more…”

It also says that “… the company does not yet have full approvals to subdivide the sprawling tract.”

“In fact, the company plans to send out 30 million messages a week…”
And “Telephone salespeople are on commission and collect about 13 per cent of the total sales price.” So out of the $60,000 you pay, the salesman earns US$7,800

And how existing land sales; “…would generate $8.9 million to $14.6 million after commissions.”

You would think that with that kind of money in the bank that they would already have significant infrastructure in place yet it states that “No homes exist there now…”

And not only do they NOT have a single home on the property but people are buying these lots even when “… the source of water has not yet been determined.”

If you want to make big money with this project, sounds to me like the only way to do that would be to work for them and sell to those people receiving 30,000,000 emails per week and earn your 13%. That’s a HUGE commission!

Good luck to you all – You are going to need it!

ezimage
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PostPosted: 19 May 2005 05:09 am Post subject: RE: Paragon Properties mac99mac,

Hmmmmm, Did you try to sell them something and they burned you or something – – whats up? I think that it is only fair to the people who read this forum that you really tell us what you have against this company.

Jese, give em a break. They started 9 months ago. The contract states that they will have 12 months to put in the infastructure. Have you read the contract? Have you been to the developments? Have you met with any of the principles? Do you know that the money down is held in Escrow?

There is a saying in politics they says “negative press is better then bad press as long as you spell my name right”. Keep it up . . . you are doing them a HUGE favor. Everybody knows their name, just like the show Cheers!

I believe in this company, I am a customer and I am very very happy with what I have seen (which it’s obviously you haven’t seen).

And regarding Steve Tashman. There are two sides to every story. Media in the US sells hype. Question for you . . . have you met him? You should.

And by the way, I live in the political world in the US and see stuff getting taken out of context all the time. It’s pitiful! So I don’t buy your extracted comments “No homes exist there now” . . . . . duh! You obviously don’t know anything about this company or their plan.
My guess is that you tried to exploit them and they said NO.

mac99mac
Joined: 29 Sep 2004
Posts: 1
PostPosted: 19 May 2005 04:50 pm Post subject: RE: Paragon Properties

Did “I” try to sell them something? No! They tried to sell me their property…

That I should “really tell” you? Haven’t I already told you?

“Everybody knows their name” may be correct.

MOST PEOPLE KNOW THE NAME OF CHARLES MANSON TOO but I don’t want to meet the man!

And we’re not talking about negative publicity from the “media” about Tashman, we’re talking about the Department of Justice and the FTC. That ain’t “media.”

SO SHOW ME!

Show us some photographs of the homes that they have- Please give us the link so that we can ALL see the photographs of these homes

Sandi
Joined: 01 Apr 2005
Posts: 0
PostPosted: 19 May 2005 05:24 pm Post subject: RE: Paragon Properties

I have also talked to Paragon Properties. When I asked when they planned to put in the infrastructure, it was a vague ‘couple’ of years. When I asked what recourse I had if they never put in the infrastructure, there was a dead silence, and then a “We’ll give your money back at any time”. I’m sorry I prefer to see my money grow in my bank account, not someone else’s. Something stinks about this and I can’t quite put my finger on it.

terrytica
Joined: 16 Nov 2004
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PostPosted: 19 May 2005 09:00 pm Post subject: RE: Paragon Properties

I have read all this with much interest and being a professional realtor here in CR, there are some questions I would like to ask those of you who have experience with this company. especially those who have bought lots from them.

How do you know which lot is yours? I have seen the plot maps and I have visited the development, I can tell you that the numbers on the maps and the numbers on the lots do not coincide. The roads do not even coincide with the map on their website.

Did you know that without permits the farm cannot even be legally subdivided? The roads have to be in before the lots can be made. I can tell you the roads are not in…. period. Are they working on them?

Yes… Will SOME of the lots have spectacular views.. definitely.. but who decides if you get one of those or if yours is in a valley or the other side of the ridge with very little or no view at all? You may have a piece of paper which says lot number 152 is yours, but without a legal description, registered in the registro it means very little legally here in Costa Rica.

The project will be sold out if you can believe the propaganda, so…. that means there are going to be a LOT of unhappy campers, maybe one of them wont be you.

Another mystery for me, when this company was first brought to my attention by a client, I think it was September of last year, the company website claimed to have sold out of the first phase or was it the first 2 phases?? At that time, a simple check of the registro (and I DID check) would show that Paragon Properties never owned the amount of land it would have taken to sell that many lots.

The next large piece of property they bought was not purchased until October from what I can tell. So… how does that work? Does that mean they were selling property before they even owned it?

An article in AM Costa Rica says they have sold out of several projects. Have they finished any? Where are these projects and why is so little known about them?

Just questions…… maybe someone can clear up this mystery for me?

sarnold
Joined: 17 Mar 2005
Posts: 0
PostPosted: 19 May 2005 09:04 pm Post subject: RE: Paragon Properties

A friend of mine received info from Paragon a few month’s back. I looked it over and decided that, while it might sound too good to be true, I also wanted to get a package from them and do research. What a mistake! While the literature is professionally packaged, you can tell right away something seems fishy.

In fact, before they would send me the info, they asked me all sorts of questions regarding finances, etc., that made me feel as if I was dealing with a used car salesman. They had me call their retired school teacher, who basically parroted every answer the sales guy gave me — practically word for word!

After I received the package, their rep called me and tried to work me over for a commitment. I explained that I was just interested in learning more about opportunities in Costa Rica, and not putting down a chunk of change on something I haven’t even seen.

When I told the man my buddy and his wife were heading down to Costa Rica the next week to look into things, he became a little defensive and told me things like I shouldn’t go by what my good friend said about their property, but instead I should listen to him!?!?!?!

Anyway, my friends went down and COULD NOT FIND the property anywhere.
The place that seemed to be in the general location of where Paragon said the property was had no views of the ocean and no distinguishing signs, etc.

Fortunately, the company has not called me back — I assume they figure I wised up to their game. They’d be right about that!
All I have to say is, I wouldn’t deal with these folks at any cost!

jpal19
Joined: 07 Mar 2005
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PostPosted: 20 May 2005 12:29 pm Post subject: RE: Paragon Properties

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